John McCain

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Hahahaha .... most of the people hating are on the left. Even the release of hostages has turned into anti-Trump.

Release is good. 

Trump boasting how he and not Obama was able to secure the release of Tony Kim and Kim Hak Song is where I turn anti-Trump.

[CF DolFan]

The hate...that's the right's domain. They hate the left, they hate people of color, they hate people who don't worship the way they do. Trying to put that on the left is simply transference in its purest form.

I guess I should tell my friends that I used to visit Pulse Nightclub with that I'm a homophobe. And maybe tell my Puerto Rican nieces and nephews I'm a racist. How about my wife's deaf black cousin?  I should definitely let him know. I actually have so many relatives of color that I lost count.  One of my best friends is Muslim from Saudi Arabia as is his whole family that I grew up with. Should definitely let them know too. I'm going to be busy for a while. BTW ... how ironic is it that gays and lesbians defend a religion that doesn't not only agree with them (which is the reason the homophobic tag was given to the right) but they actually want them to die. 

The fact is name calling has lost it's effect for the exact reason I just pointed out. Trump was a buddy to minorities until he ran as a Republican. He has the awards and pics with his buddies Jesse and AL to prove it. Now he is a racist because he ran as a Republican.   In a world where democrats are condemning Trump for the same view of immigration that democrats had before him and it's become racist to only want citizens to vote .... I guess name calling is the only non hypocritical thing the left can do. As such ... no one is offended by labels any longer.

[CF DolFan]

Release is good. 

Trump boasting how he and not Obama was able to secure the release of Tony Kim and Kim Hak Song is where I turn anti-Trump.

He says a lot of stupid stuff. Although I hate that too ... I would rather he do that than not be able to deliver. He is getting the things done that I voted him for. Him being a friend to the media has no bearing on that to me.

[SCFinfan]

I hope Senator McCain either speedily recovers completely, or passes peacefully and without a (further) prolonged and difficult illness. I hope his family finds solace in a difficult situation.

[Spider-Dan]

McCain was great before he went senile. Now his hatred for all things Trump exposes his Bush-like Democrat feelings. He is a Republican in name only.

Given that there are plenty of crazies on the far left who insist that Hillary Clinton is basically no different than a Republican, I guess it's not too surprising to see their mirror image: crazies who insist that George W. Bush is basically a Democrat.

The only thing Trump's voters ask from him is that he infuriates the libs.  As long as he continues to do that, they will be happy.

[CF DolFan]

Given that there are plenty of crazies on the far left who insist that Hillary Clinton is basically no different than a Republican, I guess it's not too surprising to see their mirror image: crazies who insist that George W. Bush is basically a Democrat.

Hahaha .... there's no way it's only far right people who feel that way.

The only thing Trump's voters ask from him is that he infuriates the libs.  As long as he continues to do that, they will be happy.

That's the same mentality that got him elected and will again. While for some that may be the only reason but for most of us that's not true at all ... but it is a bonus. Trump's tax cuts, his Supreme Court nominees, him being tough on Isis and regime's like North Korea and Iran, him taking out the mandate for health care, and his goal to curb illegal immigration resonates with many people. Just the fact he wants the citizens of American to be put first in the USA is enough to want him.  Apparently it took an asshole to push the conservative agenda and I think many of us are ok with that as we don't have to sleep with him. 

[Sunstroke]

I guess I should tell my friends that I used to visit Pulse Nightclub with that I'm a homophobe. And maybe tell my Puerto Rican nieces and nephews I'm a racist. How about my wife's deaf black cousin?  I should definitely let him know. I actually have so many relatives of color that I lost count.  One of my best friends is Muslim from Saudi Arabia as is his whole family that I grew up with. Should definitely let them know too. I'm going to be busy for a while. BTW ... how ironic is it that gays and lesbians defend a religion that doesn't not only agree with them (which is the reason the homophobic tag was given to the right) but they actually want them to die. 

Do you enjoy carrying the cross for the entire far right? I don't think that every person on the right is a hater...just the ones raising your banner the highest.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I don't think that every person on the right is a hater...just the ones raising your banner the highest.

I use to think that most on the right just had some differing opinions.  But when the supposed backers of the military are okay with Trump attacking McCain or those who claim to be consertive Christians ignore Trumps sinful behavior but make a big deal of every transgression by dems or those feel one investigation into russia meddling is a witch hunt but weren't satisfied with dozens of investigations into Bengaziti i am changing my view.

[CF DolFan]

I use to think that most on the right just had some differing opinions.  But when the supposed backers of the military are okay with Trump attacking McCain or those who claim to be consertive Christians ignore Trumps sinful behavior but make a big deal of every transgression by dems or those feel one investigation into russia meddling is a witch hunt but weren't satisfied with dozens of investigations into Bengaziti i am changing my view.

Backing the military has nothing to do with being okay with what Trump said about McCain. I don't think most Republicans are okay with that and even other Republicans tried to use that against him to no avail. Other issues are more important.

Being a Christian conservative who likes where his policies are headed has nothing to do with accepting Trump's personal issues. I think the one thing that history has shown is that most presidents have a history with women both before and during their time in office. It's actually pretty funny you and others trying to point out his issues but are ok with Clinton, Kennedy and so on. Unfortunately for conservatives Mike Huckabee  isn't going to win an election because given the chance, someone like that is who the conservative Christian would rather have. As it is you have to pick your poison. It isn't as if the Democrats are moral people who were overlooked to choose Trump.

Sorry but it seems pretty clear Trump didn't collude with Russia or they can't prove it. Add in the biases that have been exposed and it does seem pretty silly but the email scandals were just swept under the rug.

[Spider-Dan]

That's the same mentality that got him elected and will again.

I tire of people lazily chanting that criticism of conservatives is What Got Trump Elected.  I never hear anyone - even liberals - say that criticism from the right is What Got Obama Elected twice.

For people who are supposedly for free speech, against political correctness, and anti-snowflake, you guys sure are thin-skinned any time it comes to dealing with criticism of your positions. Oh no, we'd better not say anything mean about the right, or Trump will win again!  It's no different than political correctness, just with a conservative flavor.

Backing the military has nothing to do with being okay with what Trump said about McCain. I don't think most Republicans are okay with that and even other Republicans tried to use that against him to no avail. Other issues are more important.

In other words: it doesn't matter if Trump attacks POWs (or Gold Star families) because Other Stuff is more important.

I wonder what you would say if liberals claimed that disrespecting the military was less important than, say, protesting police brutality.  I imagine Colin Kaepernick has a pretty good idea.

Unfortunately for conservatives Mike Huckabee  isn't going to win an election because given the chance, someone like that is who the conservative Christian would rather have.

Conservative Christians had the opportunity to choose Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, and any number of other morally sound Republicans.  They overwhelmingly preferred the serial womanizer on his third marriage who refers to his own daughter as a "piece of ass," and brags about using his position as the head of a beauty pageant to go into the dressing room and ogle teenaged girls.

Though I must say, I am surprised by your newfound clarity on separating policy positions from a candidate's personal life.  Certainly this will be applied evenly and fairly going forward.

And to be clear, here: what we are NOT talking about is a situation where a candidate is accused of moral wrongdoing and you disbelieve the accusations.  Trumpists accept that accusations against him of immoral activity are TRUE, and they don't care.

Add in the biases that have been exposed and it does seem pretty silly but the email scandals were just swept under the rug.

It sounds like you still believe government employees using private e-mail accounts is a crime, or something.  Like the rest of your moral foundations, you were supposed to discard that notion when Trump took office.

[Spider-Dan]

One more thing:

It's actually pretty funny you and others trying to point out his issues but are ok with Clinton, Kennedy and so on.

Well, since I don't subscribe to an ideology that demands that I impose my sexual morals on everyone else, I don't particularly care what two consenting adults do.  So no, I don't really have an issue with Clinton getting a blowjob in the Oval Office.  JFK died before I was born, so I wasn't alive to endorse anything he did, but I probably wouldn't have cared about him sleeping around either.

In contrast, you and yours claim to care very much about these issues, and criticized Bill Clinton endlessly for his affair... yet you happily support Trump even after cheating on his wife with a porn star, to say nothing of being caught on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women.

[CF DolFan]

I tire of people lazily chanting that criticism of conservatives is What Got Trump Elected.  I never hear anyone - even liberals - say that criticism from the right is What Got Obama Elected twice.

I don't think Obama was just randomly attacked. In general, the right had to be careful as if you disagreed with anything you were called a racist. If you are talking about the far right extremists then you are speaking of a minority that make up the whole group.

For people who are supposedly for free speech, against political correctness, and anti-snowflake, you guys sure are thin-skinned any time it comes to dealing with criticism of your positions. Oh no, we'd better not say anything mean about the right, or Trump will win again!  It's no different than political correctness, just with a conservative flavor.
In other words: it doesn't matter if Trump attacks POWs (or Gold Star families) because Other Stuff is more important.

I'd have to ask for examples because I never saw marches from the right because they got their feelings hurt.

I wonder what you would say if liberals claimed that disrespecting the military was less important than, say, protesting police brutality.  I imagine Colin Kaepernick has a pretty good idea.

This is an old tired argument. Police brutality is pretty minimal except in the minds of money makers of the black community. It's just another in the whole long line of liberal brainwashing. It doesn't equate to one weekend in a city like Chicago, let alone over the whole country. Try spending a 10th of that same energy in the black community that is killing itself and raising kids without fathers who will grow up to kill other blacks. the Democrats have the black community so brainwashed that they have them sending money to organizations like Planned Parenthood which was started to kill blacks.

Conservative Christians had the opportunity to choose Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, and any number of other morally sound Republicans.  They overwhelmingly preferred the serial womanizer on his third marriage who refers to his own daughter as a "piece of ass," and brags about using his position as the head of a beauty pageant to go into the dressing room and ogle teenaged girls.

Conservative Christians did vote for them .. and they lost to Trump. It's really nice that you believe in stereotyping but the whole Republican party isn't conservative Christian. In fact ... I know many Republicans that are atheists and even some Christians who are Democrat. Go figure.

Though I must say, I am surprised by your newfound clarity on separating policy positions from a candidate's personal life.  Certainly this will be applied evenly and fairly going forward.

I voted for Clinton twice and said the same thing then. I though the Lewinsky thing was overblown and was a matter between Hilary and Bill.

And to be clear, here: what we are NOT talking about is a situation where a candidate is accused of moral wrongdoing and you disbelieve the accusations.  Trumpists accept that accusations against him of immoral activity are TRUE, and they don't care.

LOL ... Just because liberals deny the evils of their candidate does not make them wholesome.

It sounds like you still believe government employees using private e-mail accounts is a crime, or something.  Like the rest of your moral foundations, you were supposed to discard that notion when Trump took office.

If that's true then they should be disciplined as well. I think National Security should be first and foremost. We get hacked enough without making it easier for our enemies.

[pondwater]

Jesus Christ, are you guys still arguing about Trump? He won, it's over, get over it, you got another 6 years to go, LMFAO.

I know many Republicans that are atheists

Yes, that would be me you're referring to. Although I'm not a Republican, nor an atheist. I would identify with a conservative. As far as, does God exist? I don't give a fuck either way. If he does exist, fuck him in the ass with a big purple dildo. Yes I'm talking to you God! Not really, but it's fun to pretend...

[Sunstroke]

Jesus Christ, are you guys still arguing about Trump? He won, it's over, get over it...

Кто-то выиграл, но это была не Америка

(Somebody won, but it wasn't America)

[pondwater]

Кто-то выиграл, но это была не Америка

(Somebody won, but it wasn't America)

So dramatic, just like a little schoolgirl. You gonna cry now?

Any Clinton loss is a big win for America.