Media Bias

[Spider-Dan]

She knew nothing about it. Apparently Dr Ford says she didn't tell anyone about her rape until 2012 so she never informed one of her best friends who was at the party.

2012 was still six years before Kavanaugh was nominated, so I'm not sure this makes the point you think it does.

Maybe she used the same time machine the Democrats used to go back in time and plant the fake birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper right after Obama was born.

[CF DolFan]

2012 was still six years before Kavanaugh was nominated, so I'm not sure this makes the point you think it does.

Maybe she used the same time machine the Democrats used to go back in time and plant the fake birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper right after Obama was born.

Ummm ... the point was HER witness from that time doesn't know anything about it. I don't know how you keep that from a close friend but I've never been a female who was raped. Unfortunately from where I sit it seems suspicious as my best friends knew everything I did.

When she did tell she never told anyone it was him... including her therapist. 

[Spider-Dan]

Are you guys defending Brett Kavanaugh, or Bill Cosby/Harvey Weinstein?  The logic seems to be the same: if you didn't say anything back then, it must not be true.

And while we're on the subject: what did the conservatives posting here think about Al Franken last year?  According to the standard you're offering in this thread, he should have never resigned because the women accusing him were clearly lying.

That's why your claims of hypocrisy ring hollow.  In 2016 you guys were still screaming about Juanita Broaddrick, two decades after Bill Clinton's last run for office.  But when it comes to Donald Trump, Roy Moore, and Brett Kavanaugh, you stand resolutely by your guys because every accusation is a Democrat plot.  You want to talk about hypocrisy?  Tell me what happened to Anthony Weiner, Eliot Spitzer, Al Franken, and Eric Schneiderman.

Wait, let me guess: it's not hypocrisy at all, because allegations against Democrats are always true, while allegations against Republicans are always dastardly lies.

[Phishfan]

I always liked Franken but wasn't it pictures that did him in?

[Spider-Dan]

There was one picture, taken during a 2006 comedy tour, of him smiling at the camera while pretending to grope (read: not actually touching) a sleeping castmember.
That castmember later went on to be a right-wing radio host, and 10 years after the fact, made a public statement with the picture included.
The first person to break the story was Roger Stone, a well-known Republican political operative and former Trump campaign advisor.

To put this in perspective, imagine that Kathy Griffin revealed a picture of Kavanaugh from the '90s, showing him pretending to hump her (without touching her) while she was asleep on a comedy tour.  (And also: that there is video of Griffin physically groping other male castmembers during the live show.)  Next, imagine that the person to break this story before everyone else was Rosie O'Donnell.

Now try to imagine Republicans calling for Kavanaugh to withdraw based on the above.

You can stop laughing now.

[CF DolFan]

I realize Spider you couldn't see the sky as blue if Donald Trump said it was so the fact you keep putting words or situations in my mouth to appear to win a stupid argument is not surprising. Al Franken did his own self in. He stepped down. He wasn't forced out but anyone.

If you think this case and the Cosby case are similar then there is no sense in discussing it. You are a loony bird.

The good news in all of this is her Go Fund me account is heading towards $1,000,000 so she is going to be compensated well for her public misery unnecessarily caused buy  Feinstein and Co. At least ... that's the public amount. I wonder if she's getting other kick backs as well? 

[Fau Teixeira]

The republicans are clearly just going to party-line vote this guy in, they don't give a rats ass about the ethics or morals of this.

Then they'll get voted out of office the next time they're up for election .. that's the way this plays out

[CF DolFan]

The republicans are clearly just going to party-line vote this guy in, they don't give a rats ass about the ethics or morals of this.

Then they'll get voted out of office the next time they're up for election .. that's the way this plays out

It's kind of funny to me that I see this exactly opposite of what you just said. Like I mentioned yesterday ... the anti Trump Republicans seem to be rallying behind him now. We'll see who is right when it comes time to vote.

[Spider-Dan]

Al Franken did his own self in. He stepped down. He wasn't forced out but anyone.

Franken resigned after Democrats said he needed to step down.  So when pondwater claimed that liberals are hypocrites because we would be defending Kavanaugh if he were a Dem, there is already recent evidence that that's false.

Unlike the party of family values, Democrats at least occasionally display a sense of morality.  You guys have fully abandoned any pretense of having core values; the only thing you care about now is owning the libs.  How many times have you personally praised Trump for how much he infuriates the left?

[CF DolFan]

Franken resigned after Democrats said he needed to step down.  So when pondwater claimed that liberals are hypocrites because we would be defending Kavanaugh if he were a Dem, there is already recent evidence that that's false.

I disagree. I think Franken took one for the team.

Unlike the party of family values, Democrats at least occasionally display a sense of morality.  You guys have fully abandoned any pretense of having core values; the only thing you care about now is owning the libs.  How many times have you personally praised Trump for how much he infuriates the left?

Republicans refused to vote or hold hearings on Obama's candidate. That was a political move first used by Democrats. Democrats have one upped them by declaring even before Trump nominated someone that they would do whatever to block them. Apparently this means dragging innocent people through the mud, on both sides, for political gain. The stalling tactics used by Democrats and leaks have turned this into a public nightmare that didn't need to happen. Sadly ... it only happened because of a quest for power. That's actually pretty evil to sacrifice innocent people for political gain.

I think former Bernie Sanders voter An0maly put it very well.  "Liberals were cool because they were accepting and loving. The last two years have been nothing but hate. Hate mixed with racism and sexism all in the name of standing up to racism and sexism? This is the Twilight zone!"

[pondwater]

Franken resigned after Democrats said he needed to step down.  So when pondwater claimed that liberals are hypocrites because we would be defending Kavanaugh if he were a Dem, there is already recent evidence that that's false.

Apples and oranges. There was photographic evidence in the Franken fiasco, he didn't categorically deny all of them, and issued apologies. If you don't deny you did something and subsequently issue apologies then you basically admit that you did something wrong. Then add in the photo and it was basically over for Franken.

On the other hand, you have Kavanaugh who has denied everything from the start and hasn't apologized for anything because he has nothing to apologize for. NO EVIDENCE, FOGGY MEMORY, AND VERY LIMITED FACTS.

Franken=proof of wrongdoing
Kavanaugh=no proof of wrongdoing

See how that works?

Unlike the party of family values, Democrats at least occasionally display a sense of morality.  You guys have fully abandoned any pretense of having core values; the only thing you care about now is owning the libs.  How many times have you personally praised Trump for how much he infuriates the left?

Kind of like after Obama won. You only cared about owning the conservatives. Remember, elections have consequences.

[Tenshot13]

(to Spider)You are a loony bird.

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[CF DolFan]

Interesting perspective from the prosecutor who was hired to be there.

“Mitchell spelled it out and was clear with senators that she could not take this anywhere near a courtroom,” one source told Fox News. She told them she would not charge the Supreme Court nominee and reportedly said she wouldn't even seek a search warrant. 

[Spider-Dan]

There was photographic evidence in the Franken fiasco

The "photographic evidence" was a picture of him NOT touching her (body-armored!) chest.

he didn't categorically deny all of them, and issued apologies.

First of all, he did deny them; you may not have noticed because he did not scream that they were vile partisan smears. And his "apologies" were if whatever he did made them uncomfortable.

But this gets to the heart of the issue: the Republican response is ALWAYS "This person is a politically motivated Democrat liar." So using your logic, the people who shout "LIAR!" the loudest - from Trump, to Roy Moore, to Kavanaugh - are the most innocent.  Even when they are on tape admitting to assault.

But keep in mind your original point: liberals are hypocrites because we would also stand behind one of their own who was accused of assault even if he denied it.  Franken proves otherwise. The right would never demand a resignation from one of their own based on the words of am alleged victim.

Kind of like after Obama won. You only cared about owning the conservatives.

No, unlike you guys with Trump, I never had to make excuses about how "Obama is no boy scout" or "I don’t want to be like him. I will never behave like him." The left hasn't had to abandon its core principles all in the service of pissing off conservatives; we're already the party of Marxism and sodomy, so it's easy to stick to our values.

[CF DolFan]

Spider ... do you really believe Democrats are only doing what they have been doing because they are concerned for Dr Ford and not because it is a good political move?

They have just announced they are going forward with the week long investigation into current allegations and Mark Judge has agreed to speak with investigators. I have no issue with this because it doesn't allow for an open ended of accusations from every crazy of the week.