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« on: February 08, 2019, 09:30:05 am »

I hate that I keep seeing that "experts" are picking him ... eren though I'm pretty sure we won't be doing so. If you heard or saw his awkward interview with Dan Patrick I think it's pretty obvious he isn't playing football. I'm listening to Joe Rose speak with  Mike Florio from PFT and they are discussing him and they both believe if anyone picks him that they will not get anything in return.
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2019, 09:55:33 am »

I wouldn't be upset if they took him because he's explosive as hell.

I wouldn't be upset if they passed on him because he's risky af.

I'm a bit of a gambler on things, he's the type that's high risk/high reward.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2019, 10:22:15 am »

I wouldn't be upset if they took him because he's explosive as hell.

I wouldn't be upset if they passed on him because he's risky af.

I'm a bit of a gambler on things, he's the type that's high risk/high reward.
And that's exactly why the Dolphins should NOT take him. They have gone after the bigger risk. There are no guarantees but it's time to take more of a safer bet at QB. We haven't done that since Dan Marino. Ryan Tannyhill is the only other QB drafted in the first round and he was a high risk gamble that never paid off.
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2019, 10:30:32 am »

He comes with two risks: He might not sign.  Even if he does he might not br able to transition to the pro game. 

Most players only come with one of those risks.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2019, 01:53:26 pm »

He's for sure, 100% committed to the NFL

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kyler-murray-sets-sights-nfl-career-pushes-baseball-side-180006235.html
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2019, 02:13:45 pm »


I don't see that as 100%.  On April 28th he can still call up the A's and say..."ya know when I sent ya know how I sent ya back the $3 million...... well...I thought I was gong to be drafted in the first round and be one of the first two QBs drafted.....now that I was drafted in the third round to be a back up....I am thinking baseball sounds more attractive."
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2019, 02:39:06 pm »

I don't see that as 100%.  On April 28th he can still call up the A's and say..."ya know when I sent ya know how I sent ya back the $3 million...... well...I thought I was gong to be drafted in the first round and be one of the first two QBs drafted.....now that I was drafted in the third round to be a back up....I am thinking baseball sounds more attractive."
I think you are grasping at straws now. It's pretty apparent now that he would rather play in the NFL and with that hurdle crossed, he's going to get drafted in the 1st round if not early in the 2nd. QB's are too valuable to pass on him till the 3rd round, someone is going to take a chance on him. I think the more likely scenario is that he is drafted, signs an NFL contract plays a year for some team and if it turns out the NFL doesn't really work for him, THEN go play for the Athletics. He wouldn't have even really missed much maybe a year in the minor league system of the Athletics. This is MUCH more likely scenario then the reverse.
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2019, 02:48:13 pm »

I don't see that as 100%.  On April 28th he can still call up the A's and say..."ya know when I sent ya know how I sent ya back the $3 million...... well...I thought I was gong to be drafted in the first round and be one of the first two QBs drafted.....now that I was drafted in the third round to be a back up....I am thinking baseball sounds more attractive."
That is an issue but the bigger question is this .... if it gets tough will he stick it out or bail to the MLB? Kind of like dating a girl who is still in love with her ex. You never know if she is going to go back or not.
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2019, 03:30:23 pm »

I think you are grasping at straws now. It's pretty apparent now that he would rather play in the NFL

The only things that is apparent is this guy changes his mind about what he plans to do very frequently and doesn't keep his commitments.  That coupled with his size could cause him to fall.   
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2019, 04:25:40 pm »

The only things that is apparent is this guy changes his mind about what he plans to do very frequently and doesn't keep his commitments.
Not at all. I've seen several reports that Kyler himself has ALWAYS chosen football over baseball, that it is in fact where his heart is. It is in fact his family, especially his father that has been trying to get him to play baseball instead because of the experience he had with football. When he took that contract with the A's there was an exclusion that allowed him to play football for Oklahoma in the fall. The A's knew there was a risk of losing him to football from the start, but they didn't know that he would turn in a Heisman season and neither did Kyler. Things change. There's no shame in realizing that things have changed and doing what's right for yourself. Hoodie I think you need to read up a bit on the situation. You are putting your own thoughts into this without really knowing the full story. If you are really interested you will do a little research and find out the truth. No one is really questioning the kids heart, it's always been a question of whether he's going to listen to his family or choose for himself. It's clear now he has chosen and for better or for worse he's chosen football.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25729395/inside-kyler-murray-football-vs-baseball-decision
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2019, 05:22:34 pm »

Not at all. I've seen several reports that Kyler himself has ALWAYS chosen football over baseball, that it is in fact where his heart is. It is in fact his family, especially his father that has been trying to get him to play baseball instead because of the experience he had with football. When he took that contract with the A's there was an exclusion that allowed him to play football for Oklahoma in the fall. The A's knew there was a risk of losing him to football from the start, but they didn't know that he would turn in a Heisman season and neither did Kyler. Things change. There's no shame in realizing that things have changed and doing what's right for yourself. Hoodie I think you need to read up a bit on the situation. You are putting your own thoughts into this without really knowing the full story. If you are really interested you will do a little research and find out the truth. No one is really questioning the kids heart, it's always been a question of whether he's going to listen to his family or choose for himself. It's clear now he has chosen and for better or for worse he's chosen football.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25729395/inside-kyler-murray-football-vs-baseball-decision

If I am a GM I am not risking a pick on him. 
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2019, 10:01:17 am »

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/11/as-not-giving-up-on-kyler-murray-which-could-complicate-his-nfl-prospects/

Even if his heart is in football, if the As offer more money than the team that drafts him, he could go back to listening to his parents.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2019, 10:39:53 am »

If I am a GM I am not risking a pick on him.  
Well it's not really a matter of risking a pick on him or not, it's a matter of which pick are you willing to risk on him. I can see GM's saying I'm not risking a 1st round pick on him, but at some point every GM is gonna be willing to take a gamble on him. It's just which round is that for the GM and some GM is gonna blink first. I'm betting that someone is going to be willing to take a 1st round gamble on him. That might change after the combine but I only see him being able to increase his stock at the combine, if he measures closer to 5-10 then 5-8 and closer to 200 lbs rather than 175, rather than lower it much. Everyone already knows he can play, it's just do they think he can be a franchise QB or not.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2019, 10:56:29 am »

Well it's not really a matter of risking a pick on him or not, it's a matter of which pick are you willing to risk on him. I can see GM's saying I'm not risking a 1st round pick on him, but at some point every GM is gonna be willing to take a gamble on him. It's just which round is that for the GM and some GM is gonna blink first. I'm betting that someone is going to be willing to take a 1st round gamble on him. That might change after the combine, but I only see him being able to increase his stock at the combine if he measures closer to 5-10 then 5-8 and closer to 200 lbs rather than 175 rather than lower it much. Everyone already knows he can play, it's just do they think he can be a franchise QB or not.

I am not risking a first on him because of his size and risk he won’t sign.

I am not risking a second because I will be offering him half as much money as the As, (due to rookie cap) so while I am risking only a second the chances the pick is a waste is higher than it was in round 1.

In the third thru six, it is almost guaranteed he will play baseball so I draft someone who can actually help my team.

If he is still hanging around in the 7th (or maybe late 6) I roll the dice on the chance he was serious about football, because if he isn’t it didn’t cost me much.  And maybe in 1 or 2 years he can replace the starter or if not he can go play baseball. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2019, 12:41:07 pm »

I wouldn't draft him. Mark this down, he will not be a success in the NFL
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