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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2019, 07:03:53 pm »

I think a successful draft is less about hitting a homerun (drafting a future HoF player) and more about not drafting busts.  A draft with 3 or 4 solid starters that never see a probowl, is superior to a single all-pro and everyone else being a bust.
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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2019, 10:03:44 am »

I think a successful draft is less about hitting a homerun (drafting a future HoF player) and more about not drafting busts.  A draft with 3 or 4 solid starters that never see a probowl, is superior to a single all-pro and everyone else being a bust.
I don't disagree, but you still need a couple/several pro-bowl caliber players on your roster every year to be in playoff contention. Without that it's very hard to compete in this league. Miami's roster doesn't have enough of either at this point, pro-bowl caliber or just solid starters.
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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2019, 01:37:59 pm »

.  Of the 5 QB that went  ahead of Dan 4 were franchise QBs, 2 of them made the hall of fame and 1 even won 2 super bowls.  Only one of the 5 was an actual miss.  And it is entirely possible that had Miami had the 15th pick they might have taken Eason or OBrian instead of Marino.  Marino is better than either than them, but Marino vs. Eason or Obrian isnít Manning vs Leaf.



If you can name 4 franchise QBs drafted ahead of Marino, you are using that term too loosely.
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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2019, 02:03:43 pm »

If you can name 4 franchise QBs drafted ahead of Marino, you are using that term too loosely.
John Elway, Todd Blackledge, Jim Kelly, Tony Eason, Ken O'Brien, and Dan Marino

I agree. I only see three there including Marino. O'Brian was decent but not in that class at all.
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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2019, 02:11:24 pm »

John Elway, Todd Blackledge, Jim Kelly, Tony Eason, Ken O'Brien, and Dan Marino

I agree. I only see three there including Marino. O'Brian was decent but not in that class at all.
And as much as I liked Marino as a QB. I would say that of the 3, their performance and careers equated to the order they were drafted in. 1. Elway, 2. Kelly, and 3. Marino
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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2019, 02:12:58 pm »

^No fucking way, of the 3 he was the best.  Those other guys had historically stacked teams.
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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2019, 03:25:20 pm »

If you can name 4 franchise QBs drafted ahead of Marino, you are using that term too loosely.

I am not saying there were four QB better than Marino.  Just saying they were franchise quality.  Eason took his team to the SB.  Granted they lost but still, but winning the AFCCG was Marinio and Kelly high water mark too.  OBrian was the starting QB for the same team for a decade. 
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2019, 11:24:23 am »

Tony Eason started for 3 seasons out of his career. Give me a break.
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2019, 12:53:03 pm »

^No fucking way, of the 3 he was the best.  Those other guys had historically stacked teams.
Take a breath, it's ok to disagree...
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2019, 02:22:57 pm »

Take a breath, it's ok to disagree...

Give Marino a RB like Thurman Thomas to hand the ball off to and that early 90's Bills defense and he'd have at least one Super Bowl ring.
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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2019, 02:55:21 pm »

Give Marino a RB like Thurman Thomas to hand the ball off to and that early 90's Bills defense and he'd have at least one Super Bowl ring.

You would think that giving Marino 2 HoF coaches, one who was described as ď....can take his'n and beat your'n, Or he can take your'n and beat his'n." would be enough to get him a ring.  If neither Shula nor JJ could design a game plan that could make Marino successful what coach of that era could?
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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2019, 05:24:54 pm »

You would think that giving Marino 2 HoF coaches, one who was described as ď....can take his'n and beat your'n, Or he can take your'n and beat his'n." would be enough to get him a ring.  If neither Shula nor JJ could design a game plan that could make Marino successful what coach of that era could?

Because Marino was stubborn and refused to listen.   He kept convincing Shula he could do it on his own when he couldn't.  JJ tried to build up the defense and add a running game, but by then, Marino was so old he couldn't hand the ball off fast enough.   JJ's downfall in Miami was not getting rid of Marino.   
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2019, 11:59:04 am »

Because Marino was stubborn and refused to listen.   He kept convincing Shula he could do it on his own when he couldn't.  JJ tried to build up the defense and add a running game, but by then, Marino was so old he couldn't hand the ball off fast enough.   JJ's downfall in Miami was not getting rid of Marino.   

So those teams who passed on Marino with the scouting report of ďgreat skill set, however his own arrogance, being uncoachable, and his attitude of putting personal stats ahead of winning makes it  unlikely to develop a championship team around himĒ. Got it wrong?
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2019, 12:30:59 pm »

I like how the Bucs and Patriots guys are talking about Marino like they have a clue. All you had to do was watch Marino play in '84 and you knew right then no one was better at the time. Marino had his chances in '84 and '85 but it didn't happen. Then Kelly was added to the Bills and they started a run of their own because they had a better defense and run game to complement Kelly. Dolphins had some good years but never put together a team with all the pieces in place. Over time the yearly knee surgeries and age started to take away from some of Marino's magic and he was no longer able to put the team on his back. By the time JJ came around Marino was a shell of his former self.
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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2019, 12:46:06 pm »

I like how the Bucs and Patriots guys are talking about Marino like they have a clue.  All you had to do was watch Marino play in '84 and you knew right there no one was better at the time. Marino had his chances in '84 and '85 but it didn't happen. Then Kelly was added to the Bills and they started a run of their own. Dolphins had some good years but never put together a team with all the pieces in place. Over time the yearly knee surgeries and age started to take away from some of Marino's magic and he was no longer able to put the team on his back. By the time JJ came around Marino was a shell of his former self.

Marino had plenty of natural talent.  Wonít argue that.  But he was also selfish, carrying more about personal stats than the success of the team. He is certainly not the only player like that, Randy Moss was one of the greatest players of all time, but selfish, he broke Jerry Rices single td record, but never got a ring out it.
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