Bernie Sanders proved my point for me

[CF DolFan]

The other day I mentioned that people only want socialist programs when it isn't them giving something up ... and I used college kids and their grades as an example. Even though they support "socialist" programs they didn't think it good to give up part of their grades to make sure failing kids passed and got the same result.

Well now Mr. Socialist himself, Bernie Sanders, has provided his tax returns (results posted below) and while it shows he is wealthy ... he doesn't voluntarily give up much money. It's pretty pathetic actually. The sad fact to the "as long as it isn't me" theory is sooner or later it is you.



In other news ... Beto O’Rourke released his and not only did he only give less than 1% (Beto and his wife gave $1,166 to charity out of their $370,412 income in 2017. That’s one-third of 1%) but he had an error and it was spotted by the WSJ. He now owes the IRS $4000. hahahaha

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

This is consistent with his views on charities

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/19/nyregion/notes-on-people-some-disunity-along-the-united-way.html#pq=GTBW90

Which is basically the same position made by many of us in this thread...

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=25684.0

If you oppose the very nature of having charities doing what ought be done by the government...I don’t really have a problem with that.  OTOH, if you feel that the government ought not be in business of providing social services but that should be handled by charity and don’t support charities than I have a problem.

It is similar to my view of folks who took steps to avoid vietnam, if you supported the war but used bone spurs or daddy getting you into the guard.....i have a problem with you.  If you opposed us involvement in Vietnam and dodged going I have no problem with that.

[CF DolFan]

So what you are saying is that he's ok with taking other people's money to disperse but not in giving his up to help people. That's exactly what I said. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

So what you are saying is that he's ok with taking other people's money to disperse but not in giving his up to help people. That's exactly what I said.

Not at all.  Under his tax proposals,  he would wind up paying quite a bit more in taxes.  Very similar to Warren Buffets view on taxes.

[CF DolFan]

Warren Buffet has given away over 45 billion dollars the last I heard (probably more now) so no ... they have no similarities other than being rich old white men. Buffet has no problem giving to the less fortunate where as Sanders says he's waiting for government to force him.  That's kind of convenient don't you think?

[BeanCounter]

Far cry from 2012 when the Romney's gave 29.4% of their 2011 income to charity and Obamas gave 22% of their 2011 income to charities.  We are now truly scraping the bottom of the barrel to select our next President.

[Spider-Dan]

So what you are saying is that he's ok with taking other people's money to disperse but not in giving his up to help people. That's exactly what I said.

In order for this to be true, Bernie would have to propose that he (or people like him) be exempt from the taxes he wants to increase.  I know of no such proposal.

I'm really glad that we recently had a long discussion here about the charity scam, because no, picking and choosing which causes you want to give money to is not remotely the same thing as paying more in taxes.  And I'm also glad that the recent college admissions scandal made this ultra-clear: donating millions of dollars to a university that you want to admit your child is not charity, it's an investment.  Why should people like Mitt Romney be praised for giving millions of dollars to think-tanks, who then work politicians to lower his taxes?

But ultimately, this "you can't be for the poor and middle-class if you're rich" stuff is just lazy.  FDR came from a very rich family, and he did a LOT for the poor and middle-class.

[Cathal]

You are really stretching CF DolFan, and are incredibly wrong. His taxes would go up, and it would be in line with his actual earned income. If anything, you should feel like you're in the minority for not wanting the proposals he is preaching. Man, you could be a Fox News host. The mental gymnastics performed by that female host was astounding. I bet their bosses are fuming at them for letting Bernie's support grow because of them.

[Tenshot13]

I don't care what these people do with their money, they earned it.  My problem is with these rich elite 1% wanting to share the wealth.  That's an easy stance to have when you're loaded.  When everyone is taxed to hell, they'll still be rich.

Side note, look how much Harris made and what her Charitable donations were.  Pathetic.  Beto's is pretty sad too.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/these-most-liberal-democratic-presidential-candidates-are-also-1-percenters-194022628.html

[Fau Teixeira]

I said it in the past thread, charities are a crutch that prevents government from doing what it's supposed to do. I have no problem with not giving to charities, but instead voting to increase taxes. good on them.

btw .. this post CF is exactly what this meme refers to:

[CF DolFan]

Hahaha ... as well it seems to be very convenient to say he "will" give once the government taxes him but he refuses to do it voluntarily. It's also convenient to say charities are all scams when everyone knows that isn't true and in fact couldn't possibly be true. If it were then those with money would start their own charities to spread the help. Oh wait that already happens too.

I honestly believe you guys are wrongly thinking "this is a great troll post" when you are posting and pretending to defend him. You have not one single valid argument and not even a hint of one in the BS you are spewing.

[Tenshot13]

I'll stand by my words that the left can't meme lol.

[Sunstroke]

I honestly believe you guys are wrongly thinking "this is a great troll post" when you are posting and pretending to defend him. You have not one single valid argument and not even a hint of one in the BS you are spewing.

I think you just have a new buzzword..."socialism," and want to use it as often as possible before its voodoo wears off.

I'm also pretty sure that the only "valid argument" you'd accept is one that fully supports the BS position you spewed at the start of this thread.

[CF DolFan]

I think you just have a new buzzword..."socialism," and want to use it as often as possible before its voodoo wears off.

I'm also pretty sure that the only "valid argument" you'd accept is one that fully supports the BS position you spewed at the start of this thread.

SMH. Both the conservatives and the moderate Dems are fighting against the extreme left and socialism. With that said I see no relevance to wanting to use the buzzword "socialism" and then not using it but once in my 4 posts on this thread. I've used the word "it" much more. Maybe I was just looking for something to complain about so I could use the word "it"? "It" does seem more likely.

[Fau Teixeira]

There are about different types of people that are against sanders or the others on that wing of the democratic party.

1 - the social conservatives .. they don't like the social liberal policies ..
2 - the corporations - .. corporations love the status quo .. they're socially liberal usually but they are fiscally very conservative .. this is the category that most of the main stream media falls into .. they love the current system because it's working for them. This is also the category that Obama / Clinton fall into.
3 - the libertarians .. they want government to do nothing or as close to nothing as possible

I'm pretty sure CF is a mix of 1 and 3 .. CNN/msnbc are #2 .. fox is #2 and #1

I understand people like CF, and while i don't agree, i can respect him for his positions. I don't understand #2 .. especially a mix of 1 and 2 from the right, it's so against people's own self interest to be a corporatist that they are lemmings at the whim of an oligarchy or plutocracy.