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[EDGECRUSHER]

Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Dan Marino and
Joe Montana would like to remind you that you don't need a top 10 pick to draft a franchise QB
Kurt Warner and
Tony Romo add nor do you even need a draft pick.  

Mark Sanchez
Ryan Leaf and
JaMarcus Russel also mention that a high draft pick doesn't guarantee success either.  

Yes, but for a franchise that went so long without using a 1st rounder on a QB but wasted an ungodly amount of draft picks on them via trade, using your best pick on one is a good idea if it seems like the obvious choice.

I will never forget The Age of Sage.

[Spider-Dan]

I think this was one of the best trades I've seen in a while.  Just as a recap, the net trade was:

MIA gives NO a 2019 2nd (pick 48) and a 2019 4th (pick 116)
MIA gives AZ a 2020 5th

NO gives MIA a 2019 6th (pick 202) and a 2020 2nd
AZ gives MIA Josh Rosen

If you take the median draft chart value of a 2020 2nd and 5th then do the math, MIA got Rosen for the equivalent of round 4 pick 102.   That is an absolute steal for a player drafted 10th a year ago.

[EDGECRUSHER]

I think this was one of the best trades I've seen in a while.  Just as a recap, the net trade was:

MIA gives NO a 2019 2nd (pick 48) and a 2019 4th (pick 116)
MIA gives AZ a 2020 5th

NO gives MIA a 2019 6th (pick 202) and a 2020 2nd
AZ gives MIA Josh Rosen

If you take the median draft chart value of a 2020 2nd and 5th then do the math, MIA got Rosen for the equivalent of round 4 pick 102.   That is an absolute steal for a player drafted 10th a year ago.

Agreed. Arizona hurt their own position by drafting Murray before trading Rosen. As time goes by I am liking this a bit more, hopefully his attitude was just media nonsense and he can show something this year. Hope we have a great analytical department in-house because we shouldn't be making decisions about his on field stats because they will be GARBAGE this season. We are an AAF team with a nice stadium.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Agreed. Arizona hurt their own position by drafting Murray before trading Rosen. As time goes by I am liking this a bit more, hopefully his attitude was just media nonsense and he can show something this year. Hope we have a great analytical department in-house because we shouldn't be making decisions about his on field stats because they will be GARBAGE this season. We are an AAF team with a nice stadium.

I am not sure if they needed to trade Rosen first, but they should have called teams earlier to gage interest.  Miami may have been the only team to due diligence on the trade in the weeks leading up to the draft.  Time is in short supply before the draft, most teams aren’t going to spend the time watching the game film to do due diligence with AZ saying we are keeping Rosen. 

[fyo]

I think this was one of the best trades I've seen in a while.  Just as a recap, the net trade was:

MIA gives NO a 2019 2nd (pick 48) and a 2019 4th (pick 116)
MIA gives AZ a 2020 5th

NO gives MIA a 2019 6th (pick 202) and a 2020 2nd
AZ gives MIA Josh Rosen

If you take the median draft chart value of a 2020 2nd and 5th then do the math, MIA got Rosen for the equivalent of round 4 pick 102.   That is an absolute steal for a player drafted 10th a year ago.

You are forgetting the discount for future picks. Your calculation essentially has Miami's 2019 second rounder cancel out New Orleans' 2020 second rounder.

Outside the top half of the first round, the rule of thumb discount is about a round or 50% of the points value. So a 2019 3rd is valued about the same as a 2020 4th. It seems like the discount isn't as steep today as it used to be, though.

So we got Rosen for roughly the equivalent of a mid third round pick, not a high 4th.

As an example of this discount, look at the deal we did with the Vikings 3 years ago.

Miami got 2016/#86
Vikings got 2016/#186, 2017/3rd, 2017/4th with the condition that the 4th would be the lowest Dolphins pick in that round (including comp picks).

In classic trade chart value:

Miami got 160 "2016 points".
Vikings got 16.6 2016 points plus 187.5 + 44 "2017 points" (median 3rd round value plus last pick of 4th)

This works out to a future discount of 38%.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Josh Rosen met with Chad O'Shea today, his 4th Offensive Coordinator. Yes, 4TH offensive coordinator so far in his career. He had 3 last year in Arizona and he really had no shot. I always complain about how bad we screwed Tanny with O-Line play and constant OC changes but 3 in one season? Shit.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Josh Rosen met with Chad O'Shea today, his 4th Offensive Coordinator. Yes, 4TH offensive coordinator so far in his career. He had 3 last year in Arizona and he really had no shot. I always complain about how bad we screwed Tanny with O-Line play and constant OC changes but 3 in one season? Shit.

He did not have 3 OC's in one season.  He had two last season.  A new OC for OTAs this season with AZ was his third. 

[DenverFinFan]

I was initially thinking a 2nd round pick was too high but I think now it had to be done. It’s worth rolling the dice on.

[EDGECRUSHER]

He did not have 3 OC's in one season.  He had two last season.  A new OC for OTAs this season with AZ was his third. 

Phinsider lied to me. Fake news.

[Phishfan]

Phinsider lied to me. Fake news.

They didn't like, you mis-stated and Hoodie split hairs.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Phinsider lied to me. Fake news.

I don’t know what they had on Phinsider, but the article I read had the headline 4th OC, but unless you read it very carefully you would think what you thought.

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