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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2019, 09:40:19 pm »

The key case is Warren vs District of Columbia.

In this case, three women were being attacked by two men.  One of them called for the police to help.  The officers came, but for unknown reasons, decided not to help them and allowed the attack to continue.  The women sued, and courts decided that the officers had no obligation to help them.                 
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2019, 09:54:39 am »

You can sue a city for building a sidewalk without wheelchair access, but you can't sue them for never building a sidewalk in that location to begin with.
That is incorrect. There are many different situations where Federal law dictates you must install an accessible route. No one can just decide not to and lack of funds is not a legal excuse.
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2019, 10:38:16 am »

That is incorrect. There are many different situations where Federal law dictates you must install an accessible route. No one can just decide not to and lack of funds is not a legal excuse.

This is a completely irrelevant diversion from the issue at hand....cops lacking the legal obligation to do what taxpayers pay then to do.  But ADA only applies to what must be included in new construction or remodels.  So yes ADA can require a sidewalk be built when building a new library, it canít be used to force a municipality to build a sidewalk to an existing library unless extensive renovation is being done.
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2019, 11:27:54 am »

This is a completely irrelevant diversion from the issue at hand....cops lacking the legal obligation to do what taxpayers pay then to do.  But ADA only applies to what must be included in new construction or remodels.  So yes ADA can require a sidewalk be built when building a new library, it canít be used to force a municipality to build a sidewalk to an existing library unless extensive renovation is being done.
That is true to an extent but it can if they have been notified it doesn't meet and someone is not able to access something just as non-handicap people can. Like I said ... it's a civil rights issue and covers a wide range of whether or not everyone has the same rights.  Many municipalities in Florida were sued by ADA organizations in the late 90s and early 2000s for lack of ADA accessibility. As a result each one had to come up with a plan to bring everything into compliance under their jurisdiction.
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2019, 01:17:01 pm »

That is true to an extent but it can if they have been notified it doesn't meet and someone is not able to access something just as non-handicap people can. Like I said ... it's a civil rights issue and covers a wide range of whether or not everyone has the same rights.  Many municipalities in Florida were sued by ADA organizations in the late 90s and early 2000s for lack of ADA accessibility. As a result each one had to come up with a plan to bring everything into compliance under their jurisdiction.

However,  Parkland Students v Scot Peterson was dismissed, because Peterson had no legal duty to protect the students even though he had been paid hundreds of thousands of dollar over multiple years to do just that. 

So lets assume what you say about ADA is true.   One has a civil right to a wheel chair ramp to their school, but no civil right to expect that police offers are going to respond to a school shooting.  This shows just how fucked up it is that we pay cops yet they are not required to do their job. 
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2019, 01:39:51 pm »

The key case is Warren vs District of Columbia.

In this case, three women were being attacked by two men.  One of them called for the police to help.  The officers came, but for unknown reasons, decided not to help them and allowed the attack to continue.  The women sued, and courts decided that the officers had no obligation to help them.                 

Perhaps, but in Latham District County Court four bystanders were convicted of ridiculing a man being robbed, and failing to aid him.  The four were sentenced to a year in jail.
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2019, 02:40:38 pm »

Perhaps, but in Latham District County Court four bystanders were convicted of ridiculing a man being robbed, and failing to aid him.  The four were sentenced to a year in jail.

It was the ridiculing part that got them in trouble, there is no general obligation to aid.  But to the extent that bystanders are held to a higher standard for rendering aid than the police, I consider a serious flaw. 
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2019, 07:43:10 pm »

Perhaps, but in Latham District County Court four bystanders were convicted of ridiculing a man being robbed, and failing to aid him.  The four were sentenced to a year in jail.

Strong Seinfeld reference.
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2019, 08:28:26 pm »

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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2019, 08:01:25 am »

Strong Seinfeld reference.

Too funny, I was thinking the same thing.
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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2019, 11:25:01 am »

The police have discretion. Courts have always recognized this. They do this, primarily - insofar as I understand it - due to limited manpower/resources to tackle every threat.

So yes, they can decline service to you. It sucks, but the police aren't omnipotent.
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