How was Jeffrey Epstein able to kill himself?

[CF DolFan]

We may have finally found something both parties are concerned about. There is a lot of "names" out there and suddenly the star witness commits suicide while under suicide watch?  For the time being both Clinton and Trump have a "victim" saying they never were involved with the underage sexcapades so likely it wasn't one of them. Lots of other big names including Prince Andrew so I really hope the FBI follows up on this. This was too big to sweep under the rug.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

We may have finally found something both parties are concerned about. There is a lot of "names" out there and suddenly the star witness commits suicide while under suicide watch?  For the time being both Clinton and Trump have a "victim" saying they never were involved with the underage sexcapades so likely it wasn't one of them. Lots of other big names including Prince Andrew so I really hope the FBI follows up on this. This was too big to sweep under the rug.

If someone is determined to commit suicide they will find away.  Maybe some low wage guard will get fired for playing minecraft on his phone instead of being diligent. 

I am not going to get workup about one scumbag dying.  And he wasn’t cooperating, he wasn’t a witness he was a just a scumbag.   

[Fau Teixeira]

We may have finally found something both parties are concerned about. There is a lot of "names" out there and suddenly the star witness commits suicide while under suicide watch?  For the time being both Clinton and Trump have a "victim" saying they never were involved with the underage sexcapades so likely it wasn't one of them. Lots of other big names including Prince Andrew so I really hope the FBI follows up on this. This was too big to sweep under the rug.

"conveniently dead" Epstein .. he already had a suicide attempt "allegedly" .. he was on suicide watch .. and now suddenly he came off of it and he ends up dead.. this sounds like an inside job

[BuccaneerBrad]

I don't buy for a second that this was a suicide.  Either the inmates decided to do what they do with pedophiles or someone put a hit on him

[Spider-Dan]

A lot of powerful people are breathing a sigh of relief.

[CF DolFan]

A lot of powerful people are breathing a sigh of relief.

But the victims feel cheated. I seriously hope the investigations by the FBI and Justice Dept are able to trace this out. Few people are buying this suicide story. Jeffrey Epstein told prison guards and fellow inmates that he believed someone had tried to kill him weeks before his death. I did get a chuckle in that Joe Scarborough calls 'bull***t' on Epstein's suicide and then suggests the Russians could have been involved.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

He knew a lot of powerful people.  That doesn't mean those people assisted him or knew what he was doing.  I know that folks on the right were having wet dreams that the Clintons were masterminding an international sex trafficking cartel and folks on the left having the same wet dream with Trump being the mastermind.  But he was just a sick bastered that knew a lot of people and when he got caught rather than face the consequence took the easy way out.  I am glad he is dead. I just hope his suicide doesn't prevent his victims from getting his wealth with it going to his heirs like it did with Hernadez.

[BuccaneerBrad]

I just hope his suicide doesn't prevent his victims from getting his wealth with it going to his heirs like it did with Hernadez.

Unfortunately, that will be the case as he died without being convicted. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Unfortunately, that will be the case as he died without being convicted. 

You certain of that? Or just speculating?  IIRC there was some discussion at the time that MA laws were quirky, and other jurisdictions might have different results.

[Spider-Dan]

But the victims feel cheated.

I'm not one of the victims and can't presume to tell them how to feel, but I don't understand that.

He's dead.  He wouldn't have gotten the death penalty - ostensibly the most serious punishment - even if convicted.  I can understand the idea that a life in prison is worse than death, but in that case, why do we have the death penalty at all?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I'm not one of the victims and can't presume to tell them how to feel, but I don't understand that.

I am sure a few do, and wanted to hear 12 people say the word “guilty”. I am sure others are relieved that they won’t be going through the traumatic experience of testifying in open court and being cross examined. 

I am certain they are NOT all of a single mindset, regarding his  suicide. 
 

[BuccaneerBrad]

You certain of that? Or just speculating?  IIRC there was some discussion at the time that MA laws were quirky, and other jurisdictions might have different results.

The victims can still sue his estate as civil courts have more leeway on proving someone responsible as opposed to criminal courts (see OJ Simpson)

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The victims can still sue his estate as civil courts have more leeway on proving someone responsible as opposed to criminal courts (see OJ Simpson)

I am well aware of the difference in burden of proof between a civil and criminal trial.  The issue at hand is does the relevant  jurisdiction allow for a COA on estate of a deceased person on this class of torts.

[BuccaneerBrad]

I am well aware of the difference in burden of proof between a civil and criminal trial.  The issue at hand is does the relevant  jurisdiction allow for a COA on estate of a deceased person on this class of torts.

Considering it wasn't allowed for Kenneth Lay, I don't think it would be allowed for this either.  But hopefully this incident sparks a change.

[Sunstroke]

I like the theory that Bill Clinton killed him...goes nicely with the Hillary Death Squad theory.

Bottom line... One less pedophile in the world, no tears shed here.