Minkah receives trade permission

[EDGECRUSHER]

Patriots went 11-5 without Brady in 2008

They went 3-1 without Brady in 2016

When Brady retires, it's not going be much easier to challenge New England 

It's a quality system in place, but they won't be the same team and I'm pretty sure Belichick is leaving when Brady does. He's got his rings and why tarnish his legacy just in case he goes 4-12 without Brady?

[stinkfish]

I hate seeing the wheels come off my team like this. I’ve never seen them so bad, or so hopeless. Even that 1-15 team was a better gem than this, and I don’t remember feeling like those guys didn’t want to be there, or had given up. This team has already given up.

[dolphins4life]

Honestly, when Brady retires, I might ACTUALLY start rooting for the Patriots on the side                   

[stinkfish]

That’s a big statement man. Better watch what you say around these parts.

[Pappy13]

That’s a big statement man. Better watch what you say around these parts.

Actually I doubt that statement really surprises anyone here.

[EDGECRUSHER]

I don't even hate the Patriots. We have fielded like 3 competitive teams since Brady joined the league, we have no right to hate them since our incompetence is a good part of their success. We, along with the other 2 failure franchises are a big reason why they get 1st Round byes almost every year.

I hate us more than the Patriots.

[Phishfan]

Actually I doubt that statement really surprises anyone here.

Only because he's still in denial

[Phishfan]

I don't even hate the Patriots. We have fielded like 3 competitive teams since Brady joined the league, we have no right to hate them since our incompetence is a good part of their success. We, along with the other 2 failure franchises are a big reason why they get 1st Round byes almost every year.

I hate us more than the Patriots.

Their success is theirs alone.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Their success is theirs alone.

The majority definitely is, but you can't just discard having NO competition within your own division for nearly 20 years. Those 12-4 records with a 1st round bye could've been 10-6 records and a Wild Card if any of the teams were competitive more than once a decade. We won 10 or more games 3 times since 2002. Bills have 0 seasons of 10 wins or more and the Jets have 4. That's not competition.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The majority definitely is, but you can't just discard having NO competition within your own division for nearly 20 years. Those 12-4 records with a 1st round bye could've been 10-6 records and a Wild Card if any of the teams were competitive more than once a decade. We won 10 or more games 3 times since 2002. Bills have 0 seasons of 10 wins or more and the Jets have 4. That's not competition.

That discounts the fact NE has a higher win % against non-AFCE teams than vs AFCE teams.

[EDGECRUSHER]

That discounts the fact NE has a higher win % against non-AFCE teams than vs AFCE teams.

I'm not saying that they haven't earned their rings, but it certainly would've been a lot harder for them if Miami or Buffalo pulled out a few 12 win seasons here and there to win the division and knocked the Pats down to the Wild Card.

[Pappy13]

I'm not saying that they haven't earned their rings, but it certainly would've been a lot harder for them if Miami or Buffalo pulled out a few 12 win seasons here and there to win the division and knocked the Pats down to the Wild Card.

Yeah and I guess the fact that Miami, Buffalo and the Jets have had to play the Patriots twice a year has had nothing whatsoever to do with their lack of success over the last 20 years? Brady/Belichick have been unbeatable in Foxboro during that span, so essentially Miami, Buffalo and Jets started every year 0-1. Can you name any other franchise that has had this problem?

[Dolphster]

I am not an Armando Salguero (Miami Herald) fan at all.  But he has a very good article today about how the Cowboy game was the worst game of the year so far for the Fins.  He made some really good points, including this one that gives me a lot of concern and touches on points I have made here about how much of a disservice the Fins do to Fitzpatrick and the team by having him play practically every position but Nose Tackle.  Most of us knew that Minkah would excel and be an outstanding player when he left Miami.  This quote from Salguero's article jumped out at me (and I watched the Steelers game and Minkah played really well the whole game).

"Fitzpatrick, playing safety for a team he’s practiced with only three times, had an interception, a quarterback hit, a pass defensed, and he forced a fumble. He generally played the way the Dolphins told us he’d play when he was drafted by them with the No. 11 overall selection in 2018.

Except he didn’t play like that in Miami. And under this coaching staff, he hated being with Miami because he wanted to play a position or two and this staff stubbornly wanted him to play four or more and that caused him to ask to be traded."

[EDGECRUSHER]

Yeah, we really didn't do a great job with Minkah, but you still don't request a trade after your 17th career game.

He will make the Pro Bowl this year for the 4 win Steelers.

[CF DolFan]

I think Minkah will do well but it was only one game. I wouldn't put him in the HOF just yet. He did get embarrassingly slammed on a big play too.

https://www.49ers.com/video/49ers-kyle-juszczyk-minkah-fitzpatrick