Jalen Ramsey requests trade

[Sunstroke]

Shoot...I've used that metaphor many times while I was the inmate (or one of them) that was taking over the asylum.

Definitely not a phrase to get worked up about.

[Spider-Dan]

I have heard "inmates in charge of the asylum" many times.  I don't think that is necessarily a problem.

But a problem arose when Bob McNair, then-owner of the Texans, changed it to "inmates in charge of the prison." There is a world of difference between an asylum and a prison; for example, I've never heard anyone talk about mental health patients deserving to be raped, yet that's a common sentiment when it comes to prisoners.  It's never a good look to compare employees to criminals.

So when taking about pro athletes (and NFL players in particular), I would probably just avoid the "inmates" metaphors altogether and choose a different one.

[CF DolFan]

I have heard "inmates in charge of the asylum" many times.  I don't think that is necessarily a problem.

But a problem arose when Bob McNair, then-owner of the Texans, changed it to "inmates in charge of the prison." There is a world of difference between an asylum and a prison; for example, I've never heard anyone talk about mental health patients deserving to be raped, yet that's a common sentiment when it comes to prisoners.  It's never a good look to compare employees to criminals.

So when taking about pro athletes (and NFL players in particular), I would probably just avoid the "inmates" metaphors altogether and choose a different one.

so crazy people are better than prisoners in your mind? hahaha

[pondwater]

I have heard "inmates in charge of the asylum" many times.  I don't think that is necessarily a problem.

But a problem arose when Bob McNair, then-owner of the Texans, changed it to "inmates in charge of the prison." There is a world of difference between an asylum and a prison; for example, I've never heard anyone talk about mental health patients deserving to be raped, yet that's a common sentiment when it comes to prisoners.  It's never a good look to compare employees to criminals.

So when taking about pro athletes (and NFL players in particular), I would probably just avoid the "inmates" metaphors altogether and choose a different one.

It has nothing to do with the actual example used. Inmates in charge of the prison, Passengers flying the plane, Customers cooking the food, Players coaching the team. It's all the same...

[Spider-Dan]

so crazy people are better than prisoners in your mind?

Do you believe that crazy people are unfortunate victims of mental illness, or morally-deficient criminals who have intentionally chosen to break the law?
Are those two ideas nearly the same thing in your mind?

Criminals are in prison because they broke the law; they are incarcerated as punishment for their crimes.  The idea of criminals running the prison is ridiculous because they are intended to be punished, unlike mental patients, passengers, customers, etc.

[Dolphster]

Jesus, I really wish I hadn't even said anything.   It was just a commonly used metaphor.  I wasn't trying to make a statement about anything other than my opinion that with some NFL players (especially the superstars), the employees sometimes seem to dictate the actions of the employer.   If anyone has a problem with my using the term "employee" and "employer" I'm just going to give up.   

[Fau Teixeira]

Jesus, I really wish I hadn't even said anything.   It was just a commonly used metaphor.  I wasn't trying to make a statement about anything other than my opinion that with some NFL players (especially the superstars), the employees sometimes seem to dictate the actions of the employer.   If anyone has a problem with my using the term "employee" and "employer" I'm just going to give up.   

An employer cannot force an employee to work against their will .. that's the beginning and the end of a labor dispute.

[Dolphster]

An employer cannot force an employee to work against their will .. that's the beginning and the end of a labor dispute.

Very true.  The nerve of those horrible capitalist employers expecting their employees to actually work!  Power to the people, comrade.  That is why the beautiful option of firing whiney douchebag employees who don't want to do the job they are hired to do exists. 

[Fau Teixeira]

Very true.  The nerve of those horrible capitalist employers expecting their employees to actually work!  Power to the people, comrade.  That is why the beautiful option of firing whiney douchebag employees who don't want to do the job they are hired to do exists. 

then they should .. Jax could ways cut him .. so why don't they ?

double standards much?

[pondwater]

An employer cannot force an employee to work against their will .. that's the beginning and the end of a labor dispute.

They can't? Isn't that the point of paying them. If they don't work, they don't get paid. Why did they get out of bed and drive to work if they didn't want to work? Sometimes I can't even understand what the fuck you people are talking about.

[Sunstroke]

An employer cannot force an employee to work against their will ..

They can't? Isn't that the point of paying them.

When your employer pays you to work, do you really feel like he's forced you to work? Do you understand the difference between the words "Forced" and "Enticed?"

Unless the employer is a prison, the employer really can't force someone to work.

[Phishfan]

An employer cannot force an employee to work against their will .. that's the beginning and the end of a labor dispute.

Then technically that person is no longer an employee

[pondwater]

When your employer pays you to work, do you really feel like he's forced you to work? Do you understand the difference between the words "Forced" and "Enticed?"

Unless the employer is a prison, the employer really can't force someone to work.

This whole discussion is stupid and makes no sense. No one can force you to work. Not even a prison. They can beat you, torture you, or even kill you. That's still not going to force you to work. If a person has resolve not to work, no one can force them.

The saying "Inmates in charge of the prison" has nothing to do with inmates or prisons. It's used to describe a situation where the subordinates have taken control of and organization or situation. God damn, you fruitcake PC liberals will cry about anything, LMFAO.

[Spider-Dan]

You're using a ridiculous interpretation of the word "force." It's like saying that if I'm robbing you with a gun to your head, I'm not forcing you to give me your money because you still have to choose to give it to me.

By this crazy logic, taxes are completely "voluntary."

[pondwater]

You're using a ridiculous interpretation of the word "force." It's like saying that if I'm robbing you with a gun to your head, I'm not forcing you to give me your money because you still have to choose to give it to me.

By this crazy logic, taxes are completely "voluntary."

How are taxes not voluntary. Do I have a choice not to file and pay taxes? They can punish you for not paying them. But they can't make you pay them. Don't pay your taxes and then go blow all your money on crack, prostitutes, and at the casino. What they gonna do? Lock you up? You still ain't paid the taxes. Most things in life are voluntary.

Anyhow, we're talking about an employer/employee relationship. There is no forcing them to work, it's a business arrangement. If they don't want to work, don't pay them, and then call the police to FORCE them to leave the premises. If they don't want to work and you let them stay with no consequences, then indeed the "Inmates are in charge of the prison"....