Anyone still holding out hope for Tua at #5...

[CF DolFan]

Take it for what it is worth but Armando told Joe Rose this morning that 1) he definitely was told the Dolphins would reach out and make a serious offer for the number one (Joe Burrow) and that 2) they have not done it as of yet. Joe seems to give Armando plenty of props so what he says is always a possibility. I guess we will see.

[Pappy13]

Form what I saw/heard ... Saban said he needs to learn to throw the ball away and that all of his injuries happened when there was no play but he was trying to extend it and make something happen. If Tua is to survive in the NFL he will need to learn that quickly.  

That's what scares me about him. I don't see him learning that quickly enough to avoid more injuries. Besides Saban has coached in the NFL, you don't think he's been coaching Tua already on this? He hasn't learned it yet, what makes anyone think he's going to learn it in the NFL?

[CF DolFan]

That's what scares me about him. I don't see him learning that quickly enough to avoid more injuries. Besides Saban has coached in the NFL, you don't think he's been coaching Tua already on this? He hasn't learned it yet, what makes anyone think he's going to learn it?

No he has been ...  at least he said they were. How much is another question. With that said ... I think for most "alpha" males learning comes more from experience than being told. Hopefully he is smart enough to learn it quickly since he has been "experiencing" it. 

[Pappy13]

No he has been ...  at least he said they were. How much is another question. With that said ... I think for most "alpha" males learning comes more from experience than being told. Hopefully he is smart enough to learn it quickly since he has been "experiencing" it. 

He's been "experiencing" it since his freshman year.

[Tenshot13]

That's what scares me about him. I don't see him learning that quickly enough to avoid more injuries. Besides Saban has coached in the NFL, you don't think he's been coaching Tua already on this? He hasn't learned it yet, what makes anyone think he's going to learn it in the NFL?

What makes you think a guy like Herbert who is wildly inconsistent with the easiest of throws and can't get past his first or second read can be coached up, but Tua can't be coached to not extend plays?  That is usually what most Rookie QBs have an issue with, doing it all instead of the smart play like getting rid of the ball.  That can easily be coached out of a player IMO, much easier than what Herbert has ahead of himself.

[Brian Fein]

Take it for what it is worth but Armando told Joe Rose this morning that 1) he definitely was told the Dolphins would reach out and make a serious offer for the number one (Joe Burrow) and that 2) they have not done it as of yet. Joe seems to give Armando plenty of props so what he says is always a possibility. I guess we will see.

Nightmare scenario.  Worst thing they could possibly do.  Ready for another 10 years of garbage play, and hunting for a new QB in 3.

This same team had one of the best QB's in league history for nearly 20 years, and zero trophies to show for it because he was always missing pieces.  Take a lesson from team history, Grier!

[Pappy13]

What makes you think a guy like Herbert who is wildly inconsistent with the easiest of throws and can't get past his first or second read can be coached up?

1) You can coach someone who's healthy. You can't coach someone if they are rehabbing.
2) Tua played for a NFL caliber coach in an NFL caliber offense. Herbert did not. In fact most consider it surprising that Herbert did as well as he did with the offense he was playing in. Most feel that when given a NFL caliber offense and NFL caliber team mates Herbert's game will elevate. That's not me saying that, that's NFL scouts saying that. What I think doesn't matter.

[CF DolFan]

He's been "experiencing" it since his freshman year.

It didn't cost him anything until the hip. This injury screwed him no matter how you look at it.

[Pappy13]

It didn't cost him anything until the hip. This injury screwed him no matter how you look at it.

Just games. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this shit out before you lose draft position and anyone that it does take that to figure out doesn't say much for their "awareness". Some guys never learn.

[Tenshot13]

1) You can coach someone who's healthy. You can't coach someone if they are rehabbing.
2) Tua played for a NFL caliber coach in an NFL caliber offense. Herbert did not. In fact most consider it surprising that Herbert did as well as he did with the offense he was playing in. Most feel that when given a NFL caliber offense and NFL caliber team mates Herbert's game will elevate. That's not me saying that, that's NFL scouts saying that. What I think doesn't matter.

1) Tua has shown he is all but healthy right now.  He will be in training camp taking reps.  None of his injuries were repeat injuries.
2) And Tua has many accolades to show for it.  National championship as a freshman.  Led his team to two national championship appearances.  Set a new NCAA FBS passer rating record of 199.4 for the season.  Heisman runner up.  What does Herbert have to show?  Being big and throwing the ball hard and far?

[CF DolFan]

Just games. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this shit out before you lose draft position and anyone that it does take that to figure out doesn't say much for their "awareness". Some guys never learn.

Games? He lost a ton of money too. Before he got hurt he would have been drafted 1 or 2. Based on last years numbers he could miss at least 6 million dropping from 1 to 5th. Given the fact he could fall even lower than 5 the loss could be even much larger. If he drops to 10 and it's like a 15 million dollar loss.

[Pappy13]

1) Tua has shown he is all but healthy right now.  He will be in training camp taking reps.  None of his injuries were repeat injuries.
2)  And Tua has many accolades to show for it.  National championship as a freshman.  Led his team to two national championship appearances.  Set a new NCAA FBS passer rating record of 199.4 for the season.  Heisman runner up.  What does Herbert have to show?  Being big and throwing the ball hard and far?

1) Actually his wrist injury was a recurrence if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure about his ankles, I think it was different ankles at different times.
2) If you think all college teams are created equal you are wrong. Herbert taking Oregon to a major bowl win was actually a decent accomplishment for Oregon. Alabama winning a national championship is something they do about every other year with or without Tua.

[Pappy13]

Games? He lost a ton of money too. Before he got hurt he would have been drafted 1 or 2. Based on last years numbers he could miss at least 6 million dropping from 1 to 5th. Given the fact he could fall even lower than 5 the loss could be even much larger. If he drops to 10 and it's like a 15 million dollar loss.

So it's bigger for him to lose 15 million dollars then it is to lose playing time? Exactly the reason that I don't want him on my team.

[CF DolFan]

Nightmare scenario.  Worst thing they could possibly do.  Ready for another 10 years of garbage play, and hunting for a new QB in 3.

This same team had one of the best QB's in league history for nearly 20 years, and zero trophies to show for it because he was always missing pieces.  Take a lesson from team history, Grier!

I've gone back and forth on this so much I'm just going to support whatever they do (as long as they don't pick up Cam Newton). There is risk no matter what. Hell ... I thought Brady Quinn was going to be good.  

[EDGECRUSHER]

I have no idea where to post this tidbit but Peter King says the Redskins have no intention of trading their pick and passing on Chase Young. It would take a monstrous package for them to do so.

So, only have to worry about the Lions or Giants trading their picks now if we want Tua or Herbert.