Anyone still holding out hope for Tua at #5...

[Seafort]

I think that the Dolphins org is telling Barry exactly what he needed to hear to write that article. They know what levers to pull, and I believe that Tua is the real candidate all along. But they really, really have to feign disinterest or they're going to be pressured to make a ridiculous trade that they really shouldn't make (i.e. trading all three of their first rounders to move up two slots).

[CF DolFan]

So, then you're saying Barry is writing this article for the Dolphins to create a smokescreen? I might have sounded harsh on Barry (my bad) but he's then been asked to write an article for a specific purpose and the desirable outcome for Miami to select Tua

I don't think they told him to specifically write it but someone leaked it to him so that he would. Although no one will admit it ... this happens all the time. Writers know this but play the game because sometimes it pays off in future inside info.

[hordman]

I think that the Dolphins org is telling Barry exactly what he needed to hear to write that article. They know what levers to pull, and I believe that Tua is the real candidate all along. But they really, really have to feign disinterest or they're going to be pressured to make a ridiculous trade that they really shouldn't make (i.e. trading all three of their first rounders to move up two slots).

I agree with you, I don't think they told Bary what to write, but they fed him enough info for him to run with it IMO.  I can't fathom that Bary BELIEVES Miami loves Herbert.  

[Pappy13]

I agree with you, I don't think they told Bary what to write, but they fed him enough info for him to run with it IMO.  I can't fathom that Bary BELIEVES Miami loves Herbert.  

I haven't read the article yet because I refuse to pay for sports news, but you think that Barry wrote the article even though he doesn't believe it? I can't believe that Barry would do that. A good journalist or at least someone who considered themselves a good journalist wouldn't do that. They would write what the Dolphins have told them and then say they don't believe it. Unless he said that he doesn't believe it or at least said he was skeptical, I can't believe that's true. That's not responsible reporting.

[Tenshot13]

https://twitter.com/andrewperloff/status/1250796148463411202

Andrew Perloff
@andrewperloff
"If a team decides to draft Justin Herbert, [that means] they are so scared Tua is going to be hurt... they are willing to chase mediocrity instead of greatness." - @danorlovsky7
 on @dpshow

[Pappy13]

https://twitter.com/andrewperloff/status/1250796148463411202

Andrew Perloff
@andrewperloff
"If a team decides to draft Justin Herbert, [that means] they are so scared Tua is going to be hurt... they are willing to chase mediocrity instead of greatness." - @danorlovsky7
 on @dpshow

This assumes that health and health alone is the only factor for not drafting him. I don't believe I've heard a single person who has advocated drafting Herbert over Tua basing that decision on health alone. It's a factor, not the only factor.

[Tenshot13]

This assumes that health and health alone is the only factor for not drafting him.

It really is the only factor to not draft Tua.  He's the superior prospect when all things are even.

[Pappy13]

It really is the only factor to not draft Tua.  He's the superior prospect when all things are even.

That's not the opinion of everyone. It just isn't. Your second sentence in fact denies your first sentence. You said all things being even, but all things aren't even, his health is one factor, but it's not the ONLY factor. In fact I would go so far as to say that you're really ignoring what people have been saying suggesting health is the ONLY factor. If you believe that, then you can justify taking Tua. He's been working out. He just sent out a tape showing he can throw the football. No one is suggesting that he's not healthy, they are saying there is a risk involved. That's it. And those that don't advocate for Tua think the risk is bigger then the reward. The reward being the difference between Tua and the next best guy that doesn't have that same risk.

[Tenshot13]

That's not the opinion of everyone. It just isn't. Your second sentence in fact denies your first sentence. You said all things being even, but all things aren't even, his health is one factor, but it's not the ONLY factor.

Let me rephrase - Tua is a superior prospect to Herbert when healthy, and it's not even close.  Also, if you look up who's missed more games between the two, you might be surprised.

[Dolphster]

This is the time of year when you should not believe anything you read, hear, smell, touch, etc when it comes to the draft.   Writers and analysts are either speculating just like we do or they are passing along misinformation (either knowingly or not) that they have been fed by team "sources".    If you were in management for an NFL team would you provide any kind of accurate information to anyone in the press (and thereby providing it to every other team)?  Of course you wouldn't.  Nor should you.  

[Pappy13]

Let me rephrase - Tua is a superior prospect to Herbert when healthy, and it's not even close.  Also, if you look up who's missed more games between the two, you might be surprised.

The question is not whether Tua is a superior prospect to Herbert, the question is he ENOUGH of a superior prospect to Herbert to take the risk that comes with taking him. THAT is the question.

And for some both prospects are close. A lot closer then you impied. When you start listing off attributes of both, some are on Herbert's side. Namely Arm talent, Speed and Size. There are some on Tua's side as well of course, but it's not ONLY about his health.

[Tenshot13]

The question is not whether Tua is a superior prospect to Herbert, the question is he ENOUGH of a superior prospect to Herbert to take the risk that comes with taking him. THAT is the question.

Yes.

[EDGECRUSHER]

I just don't see any team leapfrogging us to take Tua now, not just due to injuries but draft cost. Chargers can stand pat and get Herbert, they don't have the draft capital or time to trade for Tua since the staff is on the hot seat. Raiders have two first rounders but can take Love at 12. Besides, it would cost more than their 2 first rounders since they have to go up 8 or 9 spots. Bucs just got Brady and he wants their picks to be used to win a Superbowl.

Panthers at 7 are the only team I can think of that has a chance at moving up but it's going to cost them and they may not want to pay that price since they are more than 1 player away from competing and don't have the draft capital for it.

Get ready for Tua, boys.

[masterfins]

I haven't read the article yet because I refuse to pay for sports news, but you think that Barry wrote the article even though he doesn't believe it? I can't believe that Barry would do that. A good journalist or at least someone who considered themselves a good journalist wouldn't do that. They would write what the Dolphins have told them and then say they don't believe it. Unless he said that he doesn't believe it or at least said he was skeptical, I can't believe that's true. That's not responsible reporting.

lol. Well I'd agree that's what journalism used to be, and what we wish it was.  But nowadays "journalists" write whatever will be noticed/repeated/read more; because that's how their employers measure their worth.

[masterfins]

https://twitter.com/andrewperloff/status/1250796148463411202

Andrew Perloff
@andrewperloff
"If a team decides to draft Justin Herbert, [that means] they are so scared Tua is going to be hurt... they are willing to chase mediocrity instead of greatness." - @danorlovsky7
 on @dpshow

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