Grim statistics about Covid

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Number of new infections in the USA yesterday:  124,390
Total number of infections n China : 86,212

This week about twice as many Americans will die of Covid than the total death rate of China.

More Americans died of Covid in the time between polls closing and Fox declaring Biden the winner than died on 9/11/2001. 

Yet, as a country we still don’t take it seriously.   

[Tenshot13]

That's still cute you think China has accurate numbers

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

As accurate as the US numbers. 

[Spider-Dan]

Tenshot13, do you believe Japan's numbers are accurate?

The US is basically the worst country in the world when it comes to COVID statistics, but there are several (non-China) countries in Asia that seem to have done an outstanding job fighting the virus.  Do you think all those numbers are misreported?

[masterfins]

That's still cute you think China has accurate numbers

+1

[CF DolFan]

If we could completely separate politics from Covid then we could have a real discussion. As it is ... I have to believe there is no way many people are being honest about their opinions on Covid.

[Sunstroke]

If we could completely separate politics from Covid then we could have a real discussion. As it is ... I have to believe there is no way many people are being honest about their opinions on Covid.

Self-knowledge is a righteous thing, brother...glad to see you're taking that first step.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

If we could completely separate politics from Covid then we could have a real discussion. As it is ... I have to believe there is no way many people are being honest about their opinions on Covid.

It should be about the science, not the politics.

Science says wear masks.

Science says test and contact trace. Not slow the testing down.

Science says minimize contact with others.

Science says provide assistance to states in need not based on what party the governor is from.

Science says cooperate with other countries, not leave the WHO.
 

[CF DolFan]

It should be about the science, not the politics.

Science says wear masks.

Science says test and contact trace. Not slow the testing down.

Science says minimize contact with others.

Science says provide assistance to states in need not based on what party the governor is from.

Science says cooperate with other countries, not leave the WHO.
 

Science has been back and forth on a few of those. It has also shown that if you contract covid you are 99.5 % chance of surviving. In fact the CDC and WHO show that under the age of 69 you have twice as much of a chance from dying of other things.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Science has been back and forth on a few of those.

Science is NOT static.  The very definition of science includes changing as new evidence becomes available.

[Pappy13]

Science has been back and forth on a few of those. It has also shown that if you contract covid you are 99.5 % chance of surviving. In fact the CDC and WHO show that under the age of 69 you have twice as much of a chance from dying of other things.

Which ones has science been back and forth on? If you're talking about the masks, science has always been the same, wear a mask. What has changed is what was being recommended, but that recommendation was not because of the science it was based on the availability of masks and trying to make sure there were enough of them for those that needed them the most. That's not science saying that, that's logistics saying that.

[Spider-Dan]

Pappy has it exactly correct: no medical authorities ever said "masks don't make a difference," and I openly challenge anyone to find a quote of Dr. Fauci (or a similar authority) saying "Medical providers don't need masks."  Back in the spring, we were experiencing widespread shortages of everything from toilet paper to hand soap to canned food, and medical authorities didn't want laymen buying up all the masks.  Medical providers were already having major shortages of PPE.

It has also shown that if you contract covid you are 99.5 % chance of surviving. In fact the CDC and WHO show that under the age of 69 you have twice as much of a chance from dying of other things.

This is why it is difficult to take conservatives seriously when they claim that Trump always treated the virus as a major threat and not as a trivial hoax: every other time y'all speak, you reflexively keep switching back to "It's not a big deal!" excuses.

"99.5% of people who catch it survive"
"only old people are at serious risk"
"people who die have other pre-existing conditions"
"the flu kills more people"
"the death counts are inflated"
"H1N1 was worse"
"the US has more deaths than other countries because of an unhealthy population"

You can't stop yourselves from habitually minimizing the severity of COVID, even as you insist that Trump and the GOP never minimized the severity of COVID.

Pick a lane.

[Tenshot13]

That's still cute you think China has accurate numbers

As accurate as the US numbers. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/world/covid19-china-mishandle-pandemic-leaked-documents-b1764276.html

Hmmm, it's almost like someone here predicted this....

[fyo]

https://www.independent.co.uk/world/covid19-china-mishandle-pandemic-leaked-documents-b1764276.html

Hmmm, it's almost like someone here predicted this....

Did anyone claim otherwise? China will *always* try to present itself in the most flattering way possible, especially to the rest of the world.

If you are interested, I would suggest finding a more detailed review of the lying. As the article you link notes, "China publicly reported 2,478 new confirmed cases while privately reporting 5,918 new cases". The difference here lies in 3 categories of numbers for possible infections which was a direct result of having very limited (and slow) testing capacity initially. Those three categories were "confirmed positive by testing", "assumed positive by clinical indications" (e.g. fever, dry cough), and "suspected positive" (for other often completely arbitrary reasons). Hardly surprising that China only released the first of those publicly.

Finally, let's just look at your claim at the top of this thread:

"That's still cute you think China has accurate numbers "

Actually, even with the full numbers, the statement you were responding to is still valid, so your snide comments still place you solidly in denial land.

[Tenshot13]

Did anyone claim otherwise? China will *always* try to present itself in the most flattering way possible, especially to the rest of the world.

If you are interested, I would suggest finding a more detailed review of the lying. As the article you link notes, "China publicly reported 2,478 new confirmed cases while privately reporting 5,918 new cases". The difference here lies in 3 categories of numbers for possible infections which was a direct result of having very limited (and slow) testing capacity initially. Those three categories were "confirmed positive by testing", "assumed positive by clinical indications" (e.g. fever, dry cough), and "suspected positive" (for other often completely arbitrary reasons). Hardly surprising that China only released the first of those publicly.

Finally, let's just look at your claim at the top of this thread:

"That's still cute you think China has accurate numbers "

Actually, even with the full numbers, the statement you were responding to is still valid, so your snide comments still place you solidly in denial land.

Did anyone claim otherwise?  Yes, the very first post of the thread lol.
Number of new infections in the USA yesterday:  124,390
Total number of infections n China : 86,212

The whole comparison is based off accurate numbers by China.  They aren't accurate.

Also, it seems you decided to not read the rest of the article after your "gotcha" moment.

The documents also showed an undisclosed outbreak of influenza from December 2019 in Hubei province, more severe in Yichang and Xianning than in Wuhan.  

The internal data showed a 2,059 per cent increase over 2018 that had not been previously reported.

They are a mess, they can't accurately report anything it seems.  Or it's intentional...


Actually, even with the full numbers, the statement you were responding to is still valid, so your snide comments still place you solidly in denial land.
My "snide" comments weren't even directed at you Johnny White Knight.  The point of the article is China isn't reporting anything accurately.  Also, what am I solidly in denial about?  Be specific.