Terrorists storm US Capitol building; DC National Guard activated

[Fau Teixeira]

And who shot that woman?  A person is dead and there's no statement?  Something is weird about all of this.

The woman was the first to try to climb through a broken door window into a protected area of the house, she was shot by capitol police in the chest.  No-one else tried to climb through that window.

[Dave Gray]

The woman was the first to try to climb through a broken door window into a protected area of the house, she was shot by capitol police in the chest.  No-one else tried to climb through that window.

While this is probably true (though I think she got shot in the neck), is there any statement on this or is it just your assessment from watching videos?  Normally, when someone attempting to overthrow the government is killed breaching a government building by state or federal police, there'd be some official explanation.

[Fau Teixeira]

I watched the video so it's a description of my observation.

The end result here is that a MAGA hat to me is no different than a swastica armband.  I see alot of people that are excusing these domestic terrorists by saying they were lied to by Trump or they were victims of conspiracy thinking.  I don't really care. They support and defend terrorists and have no place in american society.

If you support Trump and think these people were justified, then you're just as bad, and can go fuck yourself.

[Dave Gray]

The police just released a statement, explaining this woman's death.  It's long -- they only read excerpts on the news.

The security is much higher today.  Something is amiss.  How were these people allowed to just walk into the building without pushback?

[Tenshot13]

I watched the video so it's a description of my observation.

The end result here is that a MAGA hat to me is no different than a swastica armband. 

It must be hard being this unhinged.  I'm in no way defending what happened yesterday, but come on man.

[Fau Teixeira]

It must be hard being this unhinged.  I'm in no way defending what happened yesterday, but come on man.

At one point sure, a maga hat was a political symbol of support .. not one i agreed with but whatever.

But after years of this bullshit and then what happened yesterday by the maga crowd. It's now a deliberate statement that you support the violent overthrow of our government in order to install a dictator. So is it really that different than the nazis in 1933? doesn't look like it to me.  Either way, fuck those people and fuck people that wear that hat or fly a trump flag after yesterday.

[Tenshot13]

ah the Nazis, of course.  That old argument.  Nazi nazi nazi...everything is the Nazis, or compared to the Nazis.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

It must be hard being this unhinged.  I'm in no way defending what happened yesterday, but come on man.

If you are still wearing a MAGA hat on Jan 7th AFTER the events of Jan 6, that is no different than wearing a swastika armband.

This not to say everyone who voted for Trump is a Nazi.  But if you are still supporting overthrowing the democratically elected Biden Administration which is what that hat stands for TODAY, then it is really no different than wearing such an armband.  Continuing to support Trump’s attempted coup is treason.  

[Fau Teixeira]

ah the Nazis, of course.  That old argument.  Nazi nazi nazi...everything is the Nazis, or compared to the Nazis.

those who fail to understand history are doomed to repeat it

[Pappy13]

The police just released a statement, explaining this woman's death.  It's long -- they only read excerpts on the news.

The security is much higher today.  Something is amiss.  How were these people allowed to just walk into the building without pushback?

Dave, I don't really understand what's so hard to understand. The security wasn't there because they weren't seen to be the same threat as others. That was obviously a mistake, but there's no mystery here. We've seen the videos of the officers allowing them past the gates. They obviously didn't think they weren't going to have a violent confrontation. Misguided though that idea was.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Dave, I don't really understand what's so hard to understand. The security wasn't there because they weren't seen to be the same threat as others. That was obviously a mistake, but there's no mystery here. We've seen the videos of the officers allowing them past the gates. They obviously didn't think they weren't going to have a violent confrontation. Misguided though that idea was.

The answer to why the police acted differently on Jan 6 than June 1 is black and white.

[Dave Gray]

Symbols change -- the confederate flag flown today has a very specific meaning that doesn't have to do with States rights.

If you continue to fly a flag or wear a Trump hat (he's not the president, he's not running for anything, he's a disgraced politician), you're making a new statement.

[Pappy13]

The answer to why the police acted differently on Jan 6 than June 1 is black and white.

Well said. I'll add that if you don't see the difference you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

May I make a statement about the police taking selfies and moving the guard rails?  

The guard rail item - thousands of people were already beyond the check point (you can see people taking video, encouraging more to join).  The cops on the guard rails were literally outnumbered thousands to one in that situation, they were probably told to stand down.

The selfie item: Again, grossly outnumbered and in a massively combustible situation.  Each one of those officers were literally doing anything they could to keep whatever peace they were able.  If that meant taking a photo, that is what they did.  It doesn't mean they endorsed what was happening.

I watched the events of yesterday unfold with absolute horror and disgust.  I had several questions in my mind, including "how is that building so easily compromised?"  Never in a million years, even with my background, would I have believed that to be the case.  It is crazy how naïve I was.  But one thing I did not think was the police officers were standing back, willfully; they were placed into a no-win situation.  

Here is a valid question:  When Black Lives Matter marched in Washington every building was under lock and key, you would have thought it was the start of World War III, the military presence at some buildings.  The FBI, CIA and every law enforcement agency under the sun declares / declared white supremist to be the single largest threat to our democracy.  Knowing groups like the Proud Boys would be marching yesterday not one law enforcement agency did not think, hey - we need to bolster our support?  No one saw yesterday coming?

As I have already said the answer is black and white.  If you can’t see that you are the problem.

If you learn nothing else from yesterday, it should prove beyond all doubt that the BLM complaints are 100% valid.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I'm "the problem" for asking why our Capitol was not prepared for the onslaught that happened yesterday? 

What are you on today?

The capital police leadership doesn’t view white nationalists to be a threat because many of them sympathize with white nationalist. 

The cops taking selfies weren’t deescalating the situations, they were taking photos with people they sympathize with.  Just like the cops that took a knee with BLM protesters were acknowledging the racism that exists in policing. 

The police leadership weren’t caught off guard, they were complicit.