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« Reply #75 on: January 11, 2021, 01:01:47 pm »

My whole point is that because of all of the reasons I mentioned in my previous thread, this mob wasn't a perceived threat so those additional measures weren't taken.

My point is that the mob was intended to be an actual threat and not just a perceived one and those measures were actively prevented not passively not taken.
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« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2021, 01:09:16 pm »

I'm not suggesting you're being insensitive to the race stuff, Maine.  I get what you're asking, I think.  I'll also try another way:


I think that your premise that the Capitol can handle that kind of pressure on any given day.  I think that premise is false.  I don't think there's enough staff to fend off an angry mob of thousands on a random Wednesday.  But, with foresight and prep and increased security members, they no doubt could.

My whole point is that because of all of the reasons I mentioned in my previous thread, this mob wasn't a perceived threat so those additional measures weren't taken.

I think I was partly under the same delusion as Maine. Not that the regular Wednesday contingent would necessarily be enough, but that the "everyone, including the VP and both chambers, is here" situation would result in an increase in security, in and of itself (even without an announced demonstration).

I didn't think such a force would be able to hold off thousands indefinitely, but certainly for long enough for reinforcements to arrive.

Imagine the number of covert troops an enemy state would be able to muster on US soil... I could easily imagine a few hundred very well armed... Imagine them storming the Capitol.

I really hope it turns out that the doors were deliberately opened / held open, just because the alternative is even more scary.

And I don't buy that the regular security was worse due to any direct or indirect Trump influence. Lack of preparedness, response, etc, sure, that's plausible, but I doubt the day-to-day security was affected.
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« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2021, 01:40:14 pm »

^^^^^^ everyone, including the VP and both chambers, is here"

Only one more person than a normal Wednesday.
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« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2021, 02:45:31 pm »

Not true.  Very rarely do you have all members of congress and senate, along with the VP, in the same setting unless they are voting for something for something like, well, an incoming president.  The majority of the time a large portion of congress and / or senate would not be in the building and the VP would have no reason to be there.

They aren’t typically in the same room, but if the house and senate are both in session then they are down the hall from each other. 
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« Reply #79 on: January 11, 2021, 02:45:54 pm »

I just had a client cancel because he said at 3:30 today, Trump was coming online to declare war with China to take back the country.  And he's so excited and it's all because of Trump.



Holy shit, man.
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« Reply #80 on: January 11, 2021, 02:49:23 pm »

I just had a client cancel because he said at 3:30 today, Trump was coming online to declare war with China to take back the country.  And he's so excited and it's all because of Trump.



Holy shit, man.

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« Reply #81 on: January 11, 2021, 03:05:09 pm »

I just had a client cancel because he said at 3:30 today, Trump was coming online to declare war with China to take back the country.  And he's so excited and it's all because of Trump.



Holy shit, man.

Assuming your client got this information from facebook or some lunatic right wing website.  Or maybe Trump called your client personally to let him know his intentions because they are besties.
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« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2021, 03:50:06 pm »

I just had a client cancel because he said at 3:30 today, Trump was coming online to declare war with China to take back the country.  And he's so excited and it's all because of Trump.



Holy shit, man.

It's after 4 .. maybe call your client back and ask if he really wants to cancel still ?
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« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2021, 04:03:58 pm »

It's after 4 .. maybe call your client back and ask if he really wants to cancel still ?

Reports are that Trump's going on Fox News later today.
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« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2021, 04:34:47 pm »

Is the warranty on my Chinese electronics purchases still going to be valid?
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« Reply #85 on: January 11, 2021, 05:25:55 pm »

NPS should announce that protesters count towards the “official “ crowd size counts followed by Biden announcing he is looking forward to a larger crowd than Trump had.  That should keep the idiots away.
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« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2021, 08:46:39 pm »

Not to beat a dead horse but, in June security was tighter around the Lincoln memorial than there was around the capital in January. 

How out of touch do you have to be to think the BLM movement was going to vandalize Lincoln?  Yeah they had damaged a few statues of famous civil war personalities.  But if you thought Lincoln was at risk, from BLM, you should not be doing risk assessments.
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« Reply #87 on: January 12, 2021, 07:44:12 am »


How out of touch do you have to be to think the BLM movement was going to vandalize Lincoln?  Yeah they had damaged a few statues of famous civil war personalities.  But if you thought Lincoln was at risk, from BLM, you should not be doing risk assessments.

How out of touch are you?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Lincoln-statue-at-SF-City-Hall-defaced-amid-15832280.php
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« Reply #88 on: January 12, 2021, 08:10:03 am »


Paywall.  Was he defaced by BLM?  Or white supremacists?  Or native american activist opposed to Lincoln’s treatment of natives?  Or by white supremacist pretending to by native american activists to “whatabout” the discussion of confederate monuments in our society?

I am guessing the last one.
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« Reply #89 on: January 12, 2021, 08:32:02 am »

Paywall.  Was he defaced by BLM?  Or white supremacists?  Or native american activist opposed to Lincoln’s treatment of natives?  Or by white supremacist pretending to by native american activists to “whatabout” the discussion of confederate monuments in our society?

I am guessing the last one.
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