Terrorists storm US Capitol building; DC National Guard activated

[Spider-Dan]

You guys keep comparing the Capitol invasion to BLM.  This is not an accurate comparison, as the BLM protests over the summer were for general police reform, while the Capitol invasion was specifically to stop the counting of the electoral college votes that was happening at the very moment the Capitol was being invaded.  In point of fact, the Capitol invasion successfully stopped the counting of EVs for several hours.

The only way this would be comparable would be if some politician - say, AOC - directly sent a mob to a specific location with the express intent of stopping a scheduled legislative action from taking place.  (And that's before we get into the whole "Trump's DoD blocked the MD and VA governors from sending their National Guard to help" angle.)

This is not remotely the same thing as the BLM protests over the summer, nor is it similar to some people breaking into a Target to steal TVs.  It was an attempt to prevent the official confirmation of Joe Biden as the victor of the 2020 presidential election, directed by the man who lost that election.

[CF DolFan]

Not that anyone in here cares but

US takes back its assertion that Capitol rioters wanted to 'capture and assassinate' officials
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/15/politics/capitol-capture-assassinate-elected-officials/index.html

[Fau Teixeira]

In court, Todd Allison, a line prosecutor for the Justice Department in Arizona, said DOJ may want to argue that type of assertion if Chansley goes to trial, but cannot say that at the moment

"We do not want to mislead the court by discussing the strength of any specific evidence" related to his intent, Allison said.

...

In a separate case, prosecutors in Texas court alleged that a retired Air Force reservist who carried plastic zip tie-like restraints on the Senate floor may have intended to restrain lawmakers.

of course .. we should read what the article actually says and not just the sensationalist headline.

[Spider-Dan]

Thank you, Fau.

Pay no attention to the gallows in front and the zip ties they brought in.  It was a peaceful protest with a few bad apples, who were mostly Antifa anyway.

I wonder if we can use the same standard to talk about a "peaceful protest" inside of a Target that rioters broke into?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I am very dubious of that poll.  It is either wrong or I am fortunate enough that literally none of my many Republican friends are in that 45%.  Because every single one that I have talked to about it found what happened at the Capitol to be abhorrent. 

Do all of them still consider themselves Republicans?  There has an unprecedented number of people who have switched their party affiliation from Republican to independent (and in a few cases to democrat) since the putche. And that is just the ones that have filed paperwork. 

I think the numbers may seemed skewed because many rational conservatives are no longer identifying as Republicans but rather as Independents. 

[CF DolFan]

In here I kind of think I may be but am I the only one finding it funny that all the protestors who have been caught are now blaming Trump for THEIR actions? What the heck kind of defense is that? The guy on tv made me do it ... hahahaha. I guess it goes along with suing McDonalds because you're fat. My .. how quickly these extreme patriots turn into Democrats and start blaming others for their obviously horrible choices.

[Sunstroke]

My .. how quickly these extreme patriots turn into Democrats and start blaming others for their obviously horrible choices.

That is neither a Democratic thing nor a Republican thing...it's a human thing. Nice bit of trolling though.

[Dave Gray]

In here I kind of think I may be but am I the only one finding it funny that all the protestors who have been caught are now blaming Trump for THEIR actions? What the heck kind of defense is that? The guy on tv made me do it ... hahahaha. I guess it goes along with suing McDonalds because you're fat. My .. how quickly these extreme patriots turn into Democrats and start blaming others for their obviously horrible choices.

I mean....there is an element of personal responsibility, but yeah, Trump, the president of the United States, along with the majority of the GOP told their constituents that the election was fraudulent and that Democracy was at stake.  They knew this to be bullshit, but they continued to press that issue.

Then, the people believed them.

If your democracy is stolen by a pedophile cabal in league with the Chinese through a deep state government, then yes -- you should storm the capital and kill the traitors inside.  Rioting is a natural uprising that happens from the oppressed.  It is a power balance and is how we have the rights we have...because we will kill you if you deny us these rights.  And even though it's true across all humanity, it is particularly American, because our system of laws is largely based on violent uprising, again and again.

Their methods weren't the real issue -- it was that they were sent there under false pretense.

I don't really get the complaint?  Are they stupid to have believed Trump?  Because if what Trump (and the larger Q conspiracy) said was actually true, their actions would have been justified.

[CF DolFan]

They were stupid to have done what they did. I think we can agree that out of 75 million a very small number stormed the Capital and not all were there for the same reason. Yes, I think they are responsible for their actions just like the liberal who shot up the Republicans at softball practice. Personal accountability even goes back to the Bible for me. We are NOT to follow false prophets. We are to know a false profit. The way to knowing a false profit it to know the Word of God. So basically it isn't the falt of the person spewing lies supposedly from the Bible it is up to me to know what the bible actually says.

If we are being honest about the idiots who are swayed we would admit that all political groups and media feed them as much as anything. It's really a group effort.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

In here I kind of think I may be but am I the only one finding it funny that all the protestors who have been caught are now blaming Trump for THEIR actions? What the heck kind of defense is that? The guy on tv made me do it ... hahahaha. I guess it goes along with suing McDonalds because you're fat. My .. how quickly these extreme patriots turn into Democrats and start blaming others for their obviously horrible choices.

“I was just following orders” is a pretty common defense.  A Trump told them to take back an election he claimed the democrats stole.  

The defense won’t work, but proves culpability goes all the way to the top.  

[Dave Gray]

They were stupid to have done what they did. I think we can agree that out of 75 million a very small number stormed the Capital and not all were there for the same reason.

I don't really agree.

A small number of people acted to the extreme of the lie, so far as they're in there killing cops and smearing shit on the walls....but not all that small a number of people involved in the insurrection.  There were like 600 people implicated in some level of criminality within the Capitol building.

But they were all there in that crowd because they believed the lie.  The lies that these people bought hook, line, and sinker is the problem.  And lots of other people who weren't radicalized enough (or didn't have the resources) to storm the building still have those core beliefs that are a fundamental risk to the very existence of Democracy.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

a very small number stormed the Capital

Approximately the same number that stormed the Beer Hall in 1922.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/capitol-rioters-non-voters-invs/index.html

I really don’t get this.  I am equally critical of BLM protesters that don’t vote.  And was quite pissed at Kapernick for not voting in 2016.

[CF DolFan]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/capitol-rioters-non-voters-invs/index.html

I really don’t get this.  I am equally critical of BLM protesters that don’t vote.  And was quite pissed at Kapernick for not voting in 2016.

We've said this before but I will say it again. The people who loot and vandalize are there to loot and vandalize. I don't care if you're BLM, white supremist, Trump supporter, or whatever group is assembling there are always people who are there to take advantage of the situation and cause problems. The people rioting and looting at BLM events are not supporting any black lives and that's been our argument the whole time. They are hoodlums who should have been arrested. They are the exact same as Viking head. They are either looking for attention or just wanting to take advantage of the situation and steal stuff.