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« on: March 03, 2021, 08:57:15 am »

Statues, flags, food logos/names, books, movies, etc. Name one time in history when the "good guys" were the ones trying to erase history. Heck ... even the use of Nazi symbols is legal in Israel. Seems pretty over the top to ban things because a small group of people are offended unless you have other agendas.
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2021, 08:59:47 am »

I think you're conflating banning with being held accountable.  Nobody is banning you from using a swastika if you want to.

Pretending that everything is cancel culture is the latest fake outrage of the right.
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2021, 09:01:26 am »

Statues, flags, food logos/names, books, movies, etc. Name one time in history when the "good guys" were the ones trying to erase history. Heck ... even the use of Nazi symbols is legal in Israel. Seems pretty over the top to ban things because a small group of people are offended unless you have other agendas.

What did our government ban exactly?
I must have missed it.
Oh .. that's right .. absolutely nothing.

The only people doing the banning are the culture warriors on the right .. that called up special sessions of legislators to ban people from going to a specific bathroom.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2021, 09:08:37 am »

I think you're conflating banning with being held accountable.  Nobody is banning you from using a swastika if you want to.

Pretending that everything is cancel culture is the latest fake outrage of the right.
No, books are being pulled and being "banned" in their districts for being racist or whatever. It's fine when Michelle Obama reads Dr Seuss to kids but now it's a racist series of books so we need to not only stop reading them but stop the publisher from making them. Statues, school names are being banned as well. People are allowed to illegally destroy statues as a result.  No one is being held accountable they are just taking options out of the choices. Pretending it isn't happening just because there are no laws on the books doesn't make it right.

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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2021, 09:11:55 am »

What did our government ban exactly?
I must have missed it.
Oh .. that's right .. absolutely nothing.

The only people doing the banning are the culture warriors on the right .. that called up special sessions of legislators to ban people from going to a specific bathroom.
Not sure where using "science" as a reason to use the bathroom is banning history but then again I usually don't understand where you are coming from. Transgenderism is a mental illness that does not change someone's physical DNA no matter how much they want it to. To pretend otherwise is just silly.
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2021, 09:14:24 am »

No, books are being pulled and being "banned" in their districts for being racist or whatever. It's fine when Michelle Obama reads Dr Seuss to kids but now it's a racist series of books so we need to not only stop reading them but stop the publisher from making them. Statues, school names are being banned as well. People are allowed to illegally destroy statues as a result.  No one is being held accountable they are just taking options out of the choices. Pretending it isn't happening just because there are no laws on the books doesn't make it right.

It isn't a "racist series of books," it is a great series of books that had 3-4 books with racial undertones. THOSE books and those alone are being removed from schools, and...btw, Michelle Obama didn't read any of the books with racist undertones. Nice try though...

School names, statues...no.

Perhaps the term "banned" is where you're tripping yourself up...


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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2021, 09:24:42 am »

I haven't even seen where they were removed from schools .. one school district for national reading day (which was yesterday) .. (which also coincides with dr. seuss's birthday) decided that they weren't going to emphasize or link those two things together.  I didn't read about any books being removed or banned or anything.

As far as transgenderism being a mental illness, It is not.  Non binary sexual expression and identity is found in nature, and has biologic imperative in nature.

I appreciate you don't get where i come from, all you have to do is ask for clarification and i'm more than willing to tell you.

Also what does it matter what bathroom you go to .. everyone's gotta shit .. they should all be unisex and be done with this gendered bathroom crap to begin with.
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2021, 09:25:58 am »

The publisher of Dr. Seuss decided to stop publishing them.  These are books I've never even heard of.  This is a non-story.

That isn't banning.  People can choose to have or not have things.  Companies can choose to sell or not sell things.

Go read those 4 Dr. Seuss books all you want.  Nobody is stopping you.
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2021, 11:04:13 am »

Statues, flags, food logos/names, books, movies, etc. Name one time in history when the "good guys" were the ones trying to erase history. Heck ... even the use of Nazi symbols is legal in Israel. Seems pretty over the top to ban things because a small group of people are offended unless you have other agendas.
Hell CF, you might as well get used to it. After seeing the news conspiracy theory about the supposed "Nazi" stage at the CPAC, it made me realize that these type of people will complain about anything. These days I don't care anymore. They can say and think what they want. Just like I can say and think what I want. As long as someone doesn't put their hands on me it's all good. However, the second someone physically attempts to enforce some sort of "consequences" for words that hurt their feelings. They gonna have the worst day of their life. No words justify violence or physically assaulting someone. Life and let live and stay the fuck outta my face. Pretty simple
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2021, 11:13:06 am »

As far as transgenderism being a mental illness, It is not.  Non binary sexual expression and identity is found in nature, and has biologic imperative in nature.
Transgenderism and homosexuality is an anomaly and abnormal behavior. But please proceed about how if you're born a male that you can magically become a female and vice versa Huh
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2021, 11:14:29 am »

Life and let live and stay the fuck outta my face. Pretty simple

I'm pretty much on board with that.  I think most people are.  There are exceptions, but most of us want other people out of our business.
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2021, 11:24:55 am »

Statues, flags, food logos/names, books, movies, etc. Name one time in history when the "good guys" were the ones trying to erase history.
I don't see many Union Jacks in the Thirteen Colonies any more, nor do I see any statues of King George hanging around.

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Heck ... even the use of Nazi symbols is legal in Israel.
Do you know where the use of Nazi symbols is NOT legal?
Germany.

Do you know who made it illegal?
The Allies, after they conquered Germany.
Talk about erasing history!

edit:  Let's be clear about what this thread is about.  We're not talking about any sort of government ban.  What we are talking about is one of the following:

1) an individual person or private organization decides to stop using a certain piece of content
2) a government organization decides to stop celebrating a particular historical figure or event

And conservatives are furious.  They are absolutely OUTRAGED that other people are choosing a path that they disagree with.  There is no conservative anywhere that is being prevented from celebrating their beloved Confederacy every day of the year.  But if the government stops issuing Confederate license plates, they think it's a heinous attack on their beliefs.  (It never occurs to them that others can't buy a license plate with the Union Jack on it, or the flag of Spain, or any other country America defeated.)

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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2021, 11:27:02 am »

I'm pretty much on board with that.  I think most people are.  There are exceptions, but most of us want other people out of our business.
You say that, but I'm not so sure you really agree with it.

Hypothetical situation. So if Person A calls Person B a racist name. Person B gets mad and tries to beat the shit out of Person A because their feelings were hurt. Then Person A shoots and kills Person B because they're being physically attacked. I'm convinced that the liberal majority here would be calling for Person A to be arrested and given life or the death sentence. 
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2021, 11:35:48 am »

Life and let live and stay the fuck outta my face. Pretty simple
You say that, but I'm not so sure you really agree with it.

Hypothetical situation: suppose a person silently kneels in protest during the national anthem.  I'm convinced that the conservatives here would be calling for that person to be fired for ramming liberal politics down their throat.

One more thing:
So if Person A calls Person B a racist name.
I don't think this would qualify as "stay the fuck outta my face," so your given hypothetical violates your own rules.
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2021, 12:00:14 pm »

You say that, but I'm not so sure you really agree with it.

Hypothetical situation: suppose a person silently kneels in protest during the national anthem.  I'm convinced that the conservatives here would be calling for that person to be fired for ramming liberal politics down their throat.
So instead of addressing my scenario, you reply with another scenario, LMFAO.

Anyhow, to address your scenario. That person is free to kneel and express his politics as he pleases. However, if the person is at his place of employment. And his employer doesn't agree with his behavior then yes they are free to fire him. Now in the situation of professional sports. The fans are the consumer of the product and generate a good portion of the revenue for the teams and league. So if 50 million Joe Redneck's tune in to watch a sport for entertainment purposes and don't want to see political shit they disagree with. Of course they are going to call for him to be fired. Follow the money. I doubt that you're going to have many people complaining if these people push their agenda on "their own time".

The same way if I go to Burger King to order a Whopper and the guy behind the counter starts trying to push some Jehovah's Witness or AMWAY shit down my throat. Just give me my burger and shut the fuck up before I call for you to be fired. Same with your scenario, just play your child's game and entertain me. The consumer is there for a product or service. Not for some roided up idiots opinions and social agenda.
 
If these people were so gung ho on protesting they would do it on their own time and on their own dime. The vast majority don't and won't. Again follow the money.

One more thing:I don't think this would qualify as "stay the fuck outta my face," so your given hypothetical violates your own rules.
Sure it could. It could be from across the street, across a parking lot, or in line for a Popeye's chicken sandwich socially distanced with 6 ft between everyone in line. You're deflecting again...
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