Chase vs. Pitts

[Sunstroke]

^^^ We're not drafting Gregory Rousseau at #6...fuhgeddaboutit. 

[EDGECRUSHER]

^^^ We're not drafting Gregory Rousseau at #6...fuhgeddaboutit. 

Yeah, #6 is offense 100%. There really isn't a debate on that. The #18 pick is up for grabs though between OL and DE or even moving up higher. I doubt we move down though, every pick we currently have should be focused on making the 2021 team better, not the future unless we get a Bill O'Brien offer.

[Pappy13]

I am all for picking the best receiver be it WR or TE with our first, but my gut feeling is just maybe Michah Parsons could be in play too.

I saw a mock draft yesterday where we picked him with our 18th pick. I think #6 is way too high for him.

[Dolphster]

^^^ We're not drafting Gregory Rousseau at #6...fuhgeddaboutit. 

I don't even think Rousseau is the best DE at The U coming out this year.  I'd taken Jaelan Phillips over him any day.  But yeah, not at #6.   

[Spider-Dan]

Two spots where I disagree with you:

1) when you split them both into separate groups. Just count all of them as "pass catchers." When I do that, I have Pitts above Chase.

2) When you start referring to the likelihood of making a Super Bowl for either an elite TE or elite WR. If you want to win a Super Bowl, you build the best team possible. Whether that "best team possible" includes an elite WR or an elite TE...either one will work, if the team as a whole is good enough.

Kyle Pitts is a mismatch nightmare every time he steps on the field, and as a red-zone target, he is in a class of his own.

The way I would compare "pass catchers" is comparing someone like PIT Antonio Brown to someone like MIA Jarvis Landry.

Now, Jarvis Landry was a mismatch nightmare.  He caught a LOT of passes, and made the Pro Bowl multiple times.  He was arguably the best slot receiver in the league.  But a slot receiver isn't going to get you to the Super Bowl, because a slot receiver just isn't going to move the ball down the field fast enough to break the game open.  When the best receiver on your team plays in the slot, you have a problem.

Wes Welker was also a really good slot receiver; in his prime, one of the best I've seen.  But I wouldn't want to build a team around him.  And I'm concerned about doing the same with Pitts.  Replace Tyreek Hill with an average WR and - even with the best QB and (arguably) the best TE - the Chiefs aren't nearly as scary.  Replace Kelce with an average TE and I don't think the same is true.  (And I don't think Hill is as good as his job as Kelce is at his.)

[Pappy13]

Replace Tyreek Hill with an average WR and - even with the best QB and (arguably) the best TE - the Chiefs aren't nearly as scary.  Replace Kelce with an average TE and I don't think the same is true.  (And I don't think Hill is as good as his job as Kelce is at his.)

I completely disagree about Hill and Kelce. Give me Kelce over Hill anyday and twice on Sunday. The reason that Hill is able to hit those homeruns is because Kelce keeps the chains moving. You can't take shots down the field on every pass, you have to mix in the plays that get you first downs. That's what Kelce does and he does it better then anyone. Replace him and Hill is getting about 1 chance a game to catch a deep ball and he's going to be better covered on that play because they aren't worried about Kelce catching a 10 yard pass. I think KC would win about the same number of games with or without Hill. He's flashy, but they don't NEED him to win. They win because they can do it all, not just because of Hill.

Seems Brady and Welker did alright as a team. Gronk and Brady won more Superbowls then Brady and Randy Moss. I think you're over simplifying it. No one is saying it's clear cut that TE is the pick, it's a good question but the correct answer isn't black and white.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I just don't think an elite TE makes that much of a difference.  If you have an All-Pro QB, you won't need an elite TE, and if you don't have an All-Pro QB, an elite TE is not going to make the difference an elite WR can.

Randy Moss is considered by many the 2nd greatest WR of all time.  In his best season of his career him and Tom Brady failed to win the SB. Gronk + Brady = multiple SB wins. 

[Tenshot13]

It's not just Pitts, it's having Pitts and Gesicki to throw to, plus a speedster in Fuller and Parker who when isn't the sole focus on the defense is pretty good.  That's not mentioning if Williams is healthy, how he is a pretty damn good WR.  That's not mentioning possible trading up from #18, I've seen Waddle and Smith drop to the 11-12 range in a lot of mocks.  That's not mentioning other WRs who are pretty talented in their own right not being brought up at all because of Chase/Smith/Waddle that could be taken later.  To me, it's a no brainer drafting Pitts.

Now watch them draft Parsons because Flores is a defense minded coach lol.

[ArtieChokePhin]

I don't even think Rousseau is the best DE at The U coming out this year.  I'd taken Jaelan Phillips over him any day.  But yeah, not at #6.   

If it comes down to a choice of Phillips or Rousseau at 18, take Rousseau.  If you like Phillips that much, trade down and pick up extra picks.  Phillips is a beast but his injury history scares me.

[Dolphster]

If it comes down to a choice of Phillips or Rousseau at 18, take Rousseau.  If you like Phillips that much, trade down and pick up extra picks.  Phillips is a beast but his injury history scares me.

It will definitely be interesting to see which of the two of them has the better career.  Just like it will be interesting to see whether Chase or Pitts has the better career.  The unknown is what makes all this draft talk so much fun! 

[CF DolFan]

Suppose the first 4 picks are QBs and CIN takes Sewell, leaving all skill position players available for the taking.  It seems like the majority of posters have Chase as their #1 WR option.

I know your whole question is hypothetical but I keep hearing Cincy is thinking Chase which would leave Sewell as an option for us.

[EDGECRUSHER]

I know your whole question is hypothetical but I keep hearing Cincy is thinking Chase which would leave Sewell as an option for us.

They can certainly use a stud WR too since that team has a lot of holes, but their franchise QB ran for his life until he suffered a major leg injury. They are definitely going O-Line with the #5 pick unless Sewell is arrested for murder that morning. They would only go Chase if the Falcons drafted Sewell first because they didn't like the 4th option at QB and that isn't too unlikely because Ryan will be a Falcon for the next 2 years due to cap hits.

[Spider-Dan]

Randy Moss is considered by many the 2nd greatest WR of all time.  In his best season of his career him and Tom Brady failed to win the SB. Gronk + Brady = multiple SB wins. 

Brady won 3 SBs with garbage at the WR and TE positions.  He doesn't need either.

[ArtieChokePhin]

I just watched LSU's Pro Day.  Jamarr Chase ran a 4.38 in the 40 yard dash.  My mind is made up.  He's the one I want to see the Dolphins take at #6. 

[Tenshot13]

I just watched LSU's Pro Day.  Jamarr Chase ran a 4.38 in the 40 yard dash.  My mind is made up.  He's the one I want to see the Dolphins take at #6. 

That's insane.  I'd be hyped to get him or Pitts.  I also saw a video of Chase benching 225lbs 23 times.