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MyGodWearsAHoodie
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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2021, 07:46:13 am »

Just a few examples ... In the 80's all of us had guns in their truck let alone they were hanging in the window and no one was afraid they would get shot or that anyone would break the window and steal them. We'd even have teachers or deans come out to look at new guns. Kids could walk the streets pretty much anywhere and not worry about being taken.

Safer schools and safer society  ...  it was definitely better back then regardless of if a man would have been made fun of for wearing a dress.

Were those guns mostly shotguns and hunting rifles or were they semiautomatic assault rifles capable of firing 30 rounds of ammunition between reloading?
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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2021, 09:05:28 am »

In the 80's all of us had guns in their truck let alone they were hanging in the window and no one was afraid they would get shot or that anyone would break the window and steal them.

this is not better, there should be 0 guns in trucks or at schools

Safer schools and safer society  ...  it was definitely better back then regardless of if a man would have been made fun of for wearing a dress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe_Elementary_School_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(Stockton)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)
http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,828393,00.html

Again .. not better .. learn your history.

Just because things were better "for you" doesn't make them true for everyone. This is what privilege looks like btw. Your experiences are anecdotal.

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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2021, 09:20:59 am »

""""  You can't seriously be making the claim that school shooting aren't any worse today than they were 40 years ago. That is definitely one area where things were better nack in the day. 

Another is in the 50s you could afford to buy a house on a minimum wage job.  Likewise you could pay college tuition and live on a 30 hour a week minimum wage job graduating debt free.  Retirement and health care benifits were also much better for most middle and low wage workers.
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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2021, 09:26:13 am »

Were those guns mostly shotguns and hunting rifles or were they semiautomatic assault rifles capable of firing 30 rounds of ammunition between reloading?
Yes we had semi auto rifles along wit h our shotguns. In fact fully auto were legal during that time but I didn't have one. I had a Ruger .222 semi auto rifle as a young teen which is only slightly different from the .223 that the scary AR platform shoots today. It was considered a gun for varmints.
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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2021, 01:47:14 pm »

Don't trust people with your money because everyone wants your money. Your money is your responsibility. Learn a lesson and move forward.

Here is where your statement falls apart.  You also mentioned Amazon in a previous post.

I'm a massive Godzilla nerd; I recently added to my Funko Pop collection by going to Amazon and buying a Godzilla figure.  I did not have to worry about Amazon sending me more than one, for starters, or adding me to the Funko Pop item of the week club and charging me weekly because I didn't scroll around pages to make sure I was ONLY purchasing the ONE item I wanted.  Amazon is an ethical company.  They offer products where you can become enrolled in auto-subscription and it's VERY CLEAR when you purchase this option (and it saved you money on your original).

The question at hand, pertaining to Trump's campaign, shouldn't be a "you got-got, it's on you" was a fine print, almost needed to be a lawyer to find, opt out and then opt out again exclusion when the donor only wanted to donate once.  

This wasn't the case of someone falling for a message from royalty in Africa who wants to wire all his wealth if you send him $500 first.
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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2021, 01:54:04 pm »

Just a few examples ... In the 80's all of us had guns in their truck let alone they were hanging in the window and no one was afraid they would get shot or that anyone would break the window and steal them. We'd even have teachers or deans come out to look at new guns. Kids could walk the streets pretty much anywhere and not worry about being taken.

Safer schools and safer society  ...  it was definitely better back then regardless of if a man would have been made fun of for wearing a dress.

I have no idea where you grew up.  This is all untrue.  Maybe the part about driving around with guns.  People also used to drive around without seat belts and we used lead paint, it didn't make it okay.

The 70's and 80's were horrific with violence, I experienced in myself in California.  The 90's saw a slight change.  Things are significantly better now, the reporting is different.
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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2021, 02:23:28 pm »

The crime rate in the US prior to the mid-'90s was shocking and is almost unbelievable today compared to today.
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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2021, 11:37:57 pm »

""""  You can't seriously be making the claim that school shooting aren't any worse today than they were 40 years ago. That is definitely one area where things were better nack in the day.  
more people, more schools, more reporting today, Same violence, and lets not even get into the systemic violence when school employees used to beat children. Or when bullying was accepted and you could get punched by a kid in recess that wanted your lunch money.

Another is in the 50s you could afford to buy a house on a minimum wage job.  Likewise you could pay college tuition and live on a 30 hour a week minimum wage job graduating debt free.  Retirement and health care benifits were also much better for most middle and low wage workers.
We had strong unions at one point, these sorts of things are what happens when you have strong labor force collective bargaining.

Then we started destroying our unions and worker leverage so is it no surprise that low and middle wage earners' lives got difficult.

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« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2021, 12:02:26 pm »

Speaking of grifting....NRA's new motto "Only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good friend with a luxury yacht.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/06/nra-wayne-lapierre-yacht-parkland/?outputType=amp
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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2021, 09:17:59 am »

Just a few examples ... In the 80's all of us had guns in their truck let alone they were hanging in the window and no one was afraid they would get shot or that anyone would break the window and steal them. We'd even have teachers or deans come out to look at new guns. Kids could walk the streets pretty much anywhere and not worry about being taken.

Safer schools and safer society  ...  it was definitely better back then regardless of if a man would have been made fun of for wearing a dress.
Apparently you either didn't live in the 80's or your memory is faulty. Of course people were afraid of those people who had guns in the 80's. The difference is that guy with the gun in 80's had a shotgun (used to hunt ducks in season) and enough ammo to shoot maybe 5 people...if they were slow. Now the guy with the gun has an assault weapon (with no discernable purpose) with enough ammo to shoot 100 people in 20 seconds. See the difference? No one was that interested in getting rid of that shotgun because the guy didn't really pose much of a threat (they didn't carry body armor around in their truck as far as I know) and because it actually had a useful purpose.
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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2021, 10:51:17 am »

Were those guns mostly shotguns and hunting rifles or were they semiautomatic assault rifles capable of firing 30 rounds of ammunition between reloading?
Your reply shows that you have no knowledge of firearms. So you really shouldn't be giving your opinion until you educate yourself. Assault rifles, as you put it, are fully automatic. Assault rifles produced in the last 35 years are military weapons and are not available to the general population.

Now the guy with the gun has an assault weapon (with no discernable purpose)
Other than being a made up political term, please enlighten me in detail as to what an assault weapon actually is. Also, include how a semi automatic "assault weapon" is actually different than an other semi automatic firearm? This should be fun, LMFAO
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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2021, 11:57:24 pm »

Oh god, not this "IT'S NOT A CLIP IT'S A MAGAZINE" BS again.

It's weird how you only play this "You used the wrong terminology, therefore your opinion on this subject is invalid" game when it comes to guns, and not on, say, tax policy.
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« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2021, 03:15:56 pm »

Oh god, not this "IT'S NOT A CLIP IT'S A MAGAZINE" BS again.

It's weird how you only play this "You used the wrong terminology, therefore your opinion on this subject is invalid" game when it comes to guns, and not on, say, tax policy.
They are literally "TWO DIFFERENT THINGS". If you want to discuss "tax policy" start a thread. But if Hoodie or anyone else is going to lie to push an agenda in this thread and imply that the general population owns assault rifles. He is 100% wrong on that point and will be called out EVERY TIME.

Why do liberals and the media use fake made up political terms like assault weapon, ghost gun, or weapon of war? Could it be to just to insincerely strike fear into voters who are too ignorant to know the difference? To trick people into thinking an assault weapon(made up thing) is the same as and assault rifle(real thing). This is how fake news starts and spreads like wildfire. Ignorant people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

The real purpose liberals do this is to CONFLATE all firearms as being "weapons of war" and eliminate everyone's 2nd amendment right. In reality, the general population has access to semi automatic firearms, NOT assault rifles. The fact is that Ruger 10/22, Glock, or AR15 are all the same. None of them are more dangerous than the other.

If people are going to discuss a topic they should at least have a concept of what they're talking about and how it works. If not, they need to excuse themselves and educate themselves before continuing the conversation. Especially when they are 100% wrong. If I go to a mechanic to get my car fixed and he doesn't know the difference between the alternator and water pump. He gets laughed at and dismissed. This is the same thing. If you want to discuss facts, fine. If you want to talk about unicorns and leprechauns then start a different thread.
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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2021, 12:51:43 am »

When it comes to this subject, and only this subject, you obsessively focus on "proper use of terminology" as a way to avoid discussing these issues on the merits.

It literally does not matter what we CALL them, and I defy you to prove otherwise.
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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2021, 09:33:28 am »

When it comes to this subject, and only this subject, you obsessively focus on "proper use of terminology" as a way to avoid discussing these issues on the merits.

It literally does not matter what we CALL them, and I defy you to prove otherwise.
Great, since "use of proper terminology" doesn't matter. Go ahead and pass the law, you have my support.

But when you pass the law to ban certain weapons. Make sure the actual terms used in the text of the bill are to ban "assault rifles" and "clips over 10 rounds". How does that sound Spider? You want to debate about passing a law that restricts the rights of the citzens, but you don't want to use the terminology that's going to be used in that actual law.

WTF kind of drugs are you smoking? This has to be the stupidest thing you've ever said. But I'm sure you'll out do yourself eventually.
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