Democrats about to take the supreme court

[Spider-Dan]

And that is why this country will fall in the next 20-30 years. Too many people like you that say f it if it gets me my way.

Conservatives have been saying that successfully for decades.  They said it with Bush v. Gore, they said it with Merrick Garland, they said it with Amy Coney Barrett.

For all your high-minded talk about protecting the Supreme Court, you would happily cheer on the prospect of a "useless" Supreme Court if the alternative was a Court controlled by the liberals.

[Dave Gray]

The elected officials in a country should bear some resemblance to the electorate.

And it doesn't.

The electoral college makes the presidential election close, when it isn't.
The senate is by state, where liberal pockets are grossly underrepresented.  And some places (like DC, which has more people than some states) has no representation at all.
The House is gerrymandered terribly.  More people vote for Democrats, yet we send more Republicans.

And the Supreme Court is way more right leaning that the people it represents AND the GOP is stealing seats on top of it.

This isn't democracy, whether I agree with the ideology or not.

[CF DolFan]

The electoral college makes the presidential election close, when it isn't.

This is the biggest issue in this country. People in LA, Miami, and NY should not dictate how other states live just because they pack more people in them. We can argue legal/illegal another time.  We need to expand states rights and limit Federal reach just like our forefathers set it up. This way We can have gun toting no abortio states where biloical women can play in sports and then we can have 89 genders with abortion convenience stores that serve acid and oxy like slurpees and do it in gun free zones so no one gets hurt. Everyone will be able to live how they want without forcing religion, ideals, or lack thereof on anyone.  

[Fau Teixeira]

This is the biggest issue in this country. People in LA, Miami, and NY should not dictate how other states live just because they pack more people in them. We can argue legal/illegal another time.  We need to expand states rights and limit Federal reach just like our forefathers set it up. This way We can have gun toting no abortio states where biloical women can play in sports and then we can have 89 genders with abortion convenience stores that serve acid and oxy like slurpees and do it in gun free zones so no one gets hurt. Everyone will be able to live how they want without forcing religion, ideals, or lack thereof on anyone. 

if we're going to live in fantasy land, why don't we just recruit about 1 million liberals from california and new york to go move to montana, north dakota, south dakota, wyoming, and idaho, split them up evenly and we'll end up permanently turning 5 states and 10 senators blue.

[pondwater]

if we're going to live in fantasy land, why don't we just recruit about 1 million liberals from california and new york to go move to montana, north dakota, south dakota, wyoming, and idaho, split them up evenly and we'll end up permanently turning 5 states and 10 senators blue.

Since were're in fantasy land. Better yet, lets just spilt the country in half and make them separate countries with their own federal governments that stays out of each others business. Then if you find yourself and your views leaning left, you can go live in liberal land and vice versa for people leaning right. Because the way I see it the division is only going to get worse and more violent.

[Spider-Dan]

This is the biggest issue in this country. People in LA, Miami, and NY should not dictate how other states live just because they pack more people in them.

The proposed alternative - in fact, the actual reality - is letting people in WY, AK, and AR dictate how the majority of Americans live, solely because their states were drawn to include a lot of empty land.

No thanks.  I can't speak for others, but I prefer democracy.

We need to expand states rights and limit Federal reach just like our forefathers set it up. This way We can have gun toting no abortio states where biloical women can play in sports and then we can have 89 genders with abortion convenience stores that serve acid and oxy like slurpees and do it in gun free zones so no one gets hurt.

Given that we just saw Senators from MO and TX try to overturn the voting results in PA and GA, I am skeptical that the meaning of "states' rights" in the future you propose would be any different than it has been for the last 60 years: things that I want should be left up to the states, while things that I don't want should be restricted by the feds.  I mean, unless I'm mistaken and this is actually a call to abolish the Patriot Act.

However, this does bring up an interesting question about your commitment to self-determination: do you think the politicians in Tallahassee should be dictating laws to the residents of Miami?  That is to say: when is it OK for distant bureaucrats to impose their values on a local population that doesn't share them?

[Spider-Dan]

Since were're in fantasy land. Better yet, lets just spilt the country in half and make them separate countries with their own federal governments that stays out of each others business.

Like-minded people to yourself already tried this.  It didn't work, not least because your plan would conscript many loyal Americans who love our country and its Constitution.  

You say they can pick up and move?  Well, good news: you can pick up and move right this moment.  I hear Singapore has a government more aligned with conservative values (if there can even be said to be such a thing, post-MAGA).

[pondwater]

Like-minded people to yourself already tried this.  It didn't work, not least because your plan would conscript many loyal Americans who love our country and its Constitution.  

You say they can pick up and move?  Well, good news: you can pick up and move right this moment.  I hear Singapore has a government more aligned with conservative values (if there can even be said to be such a thing, post-MAGA).

You people don't love this country or it's constitution. If you did you wouldn't be trying to fundamentally transform it into something else.

[Spider-Dan]

We're not the ones always reaching for secession as the solution, nor are we the ones who would rather fly the flag of the Confederacy than the flag of the United States.  You don't get to claim the mantle of patriot at the same time you are advocating for dissolving the Union.

The sad irony is that secession doesn't even solve the problem; it only shifts discontent slightly.  Instead of statehouses being angry with the tyrannical feds, you will have city halls being angry with the tyrannical state capitols.  It doesn't truly fix anything, and if "just move to another state!" is your answer, as I already said, there's nothing stopping you from moving to another country right now.

[pondwater]

We're not the ones always reaching for secession as the solution, nor are we the ones who would rather fly the flag of the Confederacy than the flag of the United States.  You don't get to claim the mantle of patriot at the same time you are advocating for dissolving the Union.

The sad irony is that secession doesn't even solve the problem; it only shifts discontent slightly.  Instead of statehouses being angry with the tyrannical feds, you will have city halls being angry with the tyrannical state capitols.  It doesn't truly fix anything, and if "just move to another state!" is your answer, as I already said, there's nothing stopping you from moving to another country right now.

So there's a small percentage of people that fly the Confederate Flag and there's a small percentage that burn and spit on the American Flag. And they're both on opposite ends of the spectrum, so it's really no different. Fau proposed something absurd and and so did I. And if you notice the post in question, the words "fantasy land" are the words you missed or conveniently ignored.

[Fau Teixeira]

to be fair i only proposed something absurd because CF did

also while my idea is absurd, i can't claim it to be mine, during obama's term there was a stupid movement to have all fundamentalist christians to move to south carolina to turn it into a religious state.

and i don't think it'll need to happen artificially, techie liberals will organically move to less populated red states purely for property prices and because they can work remotely in their fields. You're already seeing this in montana, it's alot less red than it used to be. Just you wait.

[pondwater]

to be fair i only proposed something absurd because CF did

also while my idea is absurd, i can't claim it to be mine, during obama's term there was a stupid movement to have all fundamentalist christians to move to south carolina to turn it into a religious state.

and i don't think it'll need to happen artificially, techie liberals will organically move to less populated red states purely for property prices and because they can work remotely in their fields. You're already seeing this in montana, it's alot less red than it used to be. Just you wait.

Not gonna affect me to any real extent in my lifetime, so it really doesn't matter too much.

[Phishfan]

to be fair i only proposed something absurd because CF did

also while my idea is absurd, i can't claim it to be mine, during obama's term there was a stupid movement to have all fundamentalist christians to move to south carolina to turn it into a religious state.

and i don't think it'll need to happen artificially, techie liberals will organically move to less populated red states purely for property prices and because they can work remotely in their fields. You're already seeing this in montana, it's alot less red than it used to be. Just you wait.

West Virginia was offering remote workers money to move there.

[Spider-Dan]

Fau proposed something absurd and and so did I. And if you notice the post in question, the words "fantasy land" are the words you missed or conveniently ignored.

If I understand your reply correctly, Fau was fantasizing about liberals moving to red states and turning them blue, while you were fantasizing about breaking up the Union.  Points for consistency, at least.

[pondwater]

If I understand your reply correctly, Fau was fantasizing about liberals moving to red states and turning them blue, while you were fantasizing about breaking up the Union.  Points for consistency, at least.

Man why? Look, I'm trying to learn Madden 21 after playing Madden 03 for 18 years. I ain't tryin to think about this shit right now. You getting my damn defense lit the fuck up, LMFAO