Chauvin verdict reached

[Sunstroke]

Make it a race issue all you want.  The real issue is corrupt cops.

It is a race issue...and it is a bad cop issue.  Not all issues are race issues...and not all issues are bad cop issues...but both of those are most definitely issues that need to be addressed.

[pondwater]

I mean, in this case, it is a race issue.

This stuff doesn't happen in a vaccum.  The black community has been complaining for 100 years about abuse from the police.  Remember in the 80s, when all these people were getting killed and beaten by police and they had to have 6 cops take them down because they were all on PCP?

Then Rodney King happened...you saw a guy get beat by a bunch of cops on camera, while he crawled around on the ground.  ...no convictions.  George Zimmerman tracked down and murdered an unarmed child with no conviction.  They smeared the name of the kid and let Zimmerman off.  He does tours and signs packages of skittles and tea for fans. This is all highly publicized and half the country have (and still are) blaming the victims.  Philandro Castillo is killed in his car for no reason.

Then this guy is murdered in front of a crowd of people pleading for his life, on top of all these other recent cases.  Now, look around -- people are trying to smear the name of George Floyd.  They're trying to blame his drug-use for a guy suffocating him on video.

You gotta realize that if George Floyd was a white woman under the same circumstances, he wouldn't be dead right now.  That community has been underserved and we've, as a society, not listened....and they've had enough.  It's not race all of a sudden.  It's always been race, you've just been unwilling to hear them.  ...and it sounds like you still are.  Yes, Chauvin is a bad cop.  But what about all the other cops standing there?  What about this entire system of police and their supporters trying to blame Floyd for his own death?

No, you're seeing what they tell you to see and what you want to see. I'll agree that the Castillo and Floyd cases needed accountability and a guilty verdict. I'm not even sure how you can be convicted of 2 murder and a manslaughter charge. But you shouldn't use the Zimmerman case or "all these other recent cases" to bolster your opinion. There was no evidence in the Zimmerman trial to get a guilty verdict in that case. And in many of these other recent cases there was reasonable cause to use deadly force. 

The real problem is that if a black person is involved, the over emotional liberals immediately jump to racism. And I reject that premise. Each case is different and unless there is proof of racism, it shouldn't even be brought up.

So you mean to tell me that you think Chauvin killed Floyd just because he was black? I guess you also think that Daunte Wright and that fat chick with the butcher knife are dead because they are black also?

[Dave Gray]

So you mean to tell me that you think Chauvin killed Floyd just because he was black? I guess you also think that Daunte Wright and that fat chick with the butcher knife are dead because they are black also?

I don't want to tell you that Chauvin was killed only because he's black.  But I do think that his race played a part in it.  It probably played a part along the way, it played a part in how Chauvin reacted, and it played a part in how some were quick to smear his name for his own death.

Daunte Wright, I think is an accident and the officer shouldn't be charged.  In his case, there is a different issue about policing in general, but it's not a murder charge that the individual officer should be shouldering, in my opinion.

And with the recent girl with the knife, while I hope that had played out differently, I don't fault the officer's snap judgement.

I am not a one-sized-fits-all liberal when it comes to these cases -- there are nuances and I side with the police in about half of the publicized cases, depending on the circumstances.

But racism doesn't exist in a vacuum.  This has been rampant for a long time, but hidden.  It permeates systems.   Race can play a part in these cases without the officer being a hooded member of the clan.

[dolphins4life]

It is a very dangerous precedent if the Daunte Wright case even goes to trial.  That will cause a cop shortage

[Sunstroke]

I'll stop a few miles short of calling this police officer a liar...but I do have a hard time believing that a person could have a standard service revolver on their hip, plus a taser, pull the service revolver and shoot someone before realizing they had pulled the gun instead of the taser. Was she old west-styled shooting from the hip? I've probably only fired off a few a few hundred rounds from either a .45 or a 9mm in my lifetime (and none in the past 20 years), but I'm pretty sure that I could actually see the firearm in my hand before pulling the trigger every single time.

Just sayin'...seems like I must be missing something.

[dolphins4life]

I'll stop a few miles short of calling this police officer a liar...but I do have a hard time believing that a person could have a standard service revolver on their hip, plus a taser, pull the service revolver and shoot someone before realizing they had pulled the gun instead of the taser. Was she old west-styled shooting from the hip? I've probably only fired off a few a few hundred rounds from either a .45 or a 9mm in my lifetime (and none in the past 20 years), but I'm pretty sure that I could actually see the firearm in my hand before pulling the trigger every single time.

Just sayin'...seems like I must be missing something.

   Using her firearm was justified in that scenario anyway.  He was a threat.  George Floyd was not.

[CF DolFan]

racism has been eliminated in America, except for racism against white people, which is pervasive

Spoken like someone stuck in victim mentality or white savior syndrome. Racism isn't nearly as prevalent as you would like it to be and that goes for the racisms that is increasing towards white people. As the great Charles Barkley said ... "Man, I think most white people and Black people are great people," Racism today is more about big money than anything else and you guys continue to feed them .. LOL. Stop paying the Als, Jessies, Maxines, and BLM leaders and see how long they stick around.

[CF DolFan]

I mean, in this case, it is a race issue.

This stuff doesn't happen in a vaccum.  The black community has been complaining for 100 years about abuse from the police.  Remember in the 80s, when all these people were getting killed and beaten by police and they had to have 6 cops take them down because they were all on PCP?

Then Rodney King happened...you saw a guy get beat by a bunch of cops on camera, while he crawled around on the ground.  ...no convictions.  George Zimmerman tracked down and murdered an unarmed child with no conviction.  They smeared the name of the kid and let Zimmerman off.  He does tours and signs packages of skittles and tea for fans. This is all highly publicized and half the country have (and still are) blaming the victims.  Philandro Castillo is killed in his car for no reason.

Then this guy is murdered in front of a crowd of people pleading for his life, on top of all these other recent cases.  Now, look around -- people are trying to smear the name of George Floyd.  They're trying to blame his drug-use for a guy suffocating him on video.

You gotta realize that if George Floyd was a white woman under the same circumstances, he wouldn't be dead right now.  That community has been underserved and we've, as a society, not listened....and they've had enough.  It's not race all of a sudden.  It's always been race, you've just been unwilling to hear them.  ...and it sounds like you still are.  Yes, Chauvin is a bad cop.  But what about all the other cops standing there?  What about this entire system of police and their supporters trying to blame Floyd for his own death?

I get what you're saying ... i just do not agree. I would garner that bad cops treat most people like crap. The system wasn't allowing that because he was black. It most likely would have happened to a white trash guy who resisted arrest as well. The only difference is you wouldn't have heard about it. In fact when white people hear a white person is shot or killed by police the standard reaction is we assume it was justified. We damn sure aren't going to make a martyr out of a rapist, murderer, thug or whatever.

Kind of a weird crossover but my grandmother was beaten to death by her police officer husband and he walked away free so I get how the system can work against you. Not surprisingly he was later found tied to a tree where he had been beaten and killed.  Georgia in the 60s.

212 people have been killed by police n 2021 and only 30 have been black. That's about 14% of the deaths amongst the millions and millions of police interaction which kind of supports my stance of it isn't as big an issue as we are making it.

[pondwater]

I get what you're saying ... i just do not agree. I would garner that bad cops treat most people like crap. The system wasn't allowing that because he was black. It most likely would have happened to a white trash guy who resisted arrest as well. The only difference is you wouldn't have heard about it. In fact when white people hear a white person is shot or killed by police the standard reaction is we assume it was justified. We damn sure aren't going to make a martyr out of a rapist, murderer, thug or whatever.

Kind of a weird crossover but my grandmother was beaten to death by her police officer husband and he walked away free so I get how the system can work against you. Not surprisingly he was later found tied to a tree where he had been beaten and killed.  Georgia in the 60s.

212 people have been killed by police n 2021 and only 30 have been black. That's about 14% of the deaths amongst the millions and millions of police interaction which kind of supports my stance of it isn't as big an issue as we are making it.

If those numbers are correct, they would match up to the total percentage of black population.

Did you see that they had a square named after George Floyd? I saw a picture of a sign at George Floyd Square and it had a list of "rules for white people". Talk about fucking racist. It won't be long before the WOKE idiots start trying to enforce some silly "rules for white people".  They're feelings will get hurt and they'll try to get physical and some CCW holder is gonna wind up shooting a few in self defense. Guess who the media is gonna blame then?

[CF DolFan]

If those numbers are correct, they would match up to the total percentage of black population.

But they don't come close to representing the percentage of violent crimes committed per race.

I saw that too with the signs. It's really weird to me that they turn criminals into martyrs even if it's for money. It's one thing to supposedly want justice but it's completely different to try and rewrite these guys as great sacrifices for the cause. Comments similar to what Pelosi said honesty freaks me out a little because they aren't typically good people. "Thank you, George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice," she said. Good grief.

[Phishfan]

It is a very dangerous precedent if the Daunte Wright case even goes to trial.  That will cause a cop shortage

No it doesn't and no it won't. It was a homicide,  not a murder and definitely needs a trial.

There will also always be plenty of people trying to become cops.

[Fau Teixeira]

It is a very dangerous precedent if the Daunte Wright case even goes to trial.  That will cause a cop shortage

you're wrong .. but society would be better if you were right .. maybe if we had a cop shortage we'd stop trying to criminalize vice and instead use police only for actual crime

[pondwater]

you're wrong .. but society would be better if you were right .. maybe if we had a cop shortage we'd stop trying to criminalize vice and instead use police only for actual crime

It is actual crime as long as the law is written the way it is written. If you don't like the laws, you change them. You don't penalize the people you hire to enforce them. Another instance of politicians passing the buck and blaming others for their own incompetence.

[Dave Gray]

It is a very dangerous precedent if the Daunte Wright case even goes to trial.  That will cause a cop shortage

I mean, a person was unjustifiably killed, so whatever the legal system has to do to work that out, I'm ok with.  If an investigation leads to no charges, that's fine -- if there's information that leads to a trial, ok.  But ultimately, she shouldn't be convicted, IMO, based on what I know today.

If any cop quits over this stuff, we're better off.  The kind of cops that are resisting that change that demands for accountability aren't helping anyway.  I'm pro police.  But that doesn't mean letting them get away without accountability. 

[pondwater]

I mean, a person was unjustifiably killed, so whatever the legal system has to do to work that out, I'm ok with.  If an investigation leads to no charges, that's fine -- if there's information that leads to a trial, ok.  But ultimately, she shouldn't be convicted, IMO, based on what I know today.

If any cop quits over this stuff, we're better off.  The kind of cops that are resisting that change that demands for accountability aren't helping anyway.  I'm pro police.  But that doesn't mean letting them get away without accountability. 

Things happen a lot faster than you think. The well known 21-Foot Rule essentially says that when an assailant wielding a knife is closing in, they will cover 21 feet in the time it takes you to draw and fire your gun. Now say they are pulling a gun instead of a knife, he doesn't even have to cover that 21 feet. Common sense would tell you that if a criminal pull his gun first, he wins the gun fight. Now do you understand why he has to be viewed as a threat and lethal force is required if the cop wants to go home to his family.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU&ab_channel=GhostDog

If you were the officer, what would you do? You have a violent criminal with a history of firearms charges. He's resisting arrest and fighting with you. He struggle away, jumps in the car, and moving all around. You're standing right in front of him. You have 1 second to make a choice. What do you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNA6hakUwmY&ab_channel=41ActionNews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g&t=235s&ab_channel=FOX10Phoenix