The Bryant Case is Disturbing

[dolphins4life]

I find it very scary to see that people are protesting this.  Even with body camera footage that shows a justified use of force, people are protesting.  It shows that people want to riot and protest and go after cops for no reason.  Is anybody other than me disturbed by this?

[Dave Gray]

It doesn't mean that people want to riot and protest and go after cops for no reason.  You're starting with a failed premise.

[pondwater]

Meh, they're doing it with that fat girl the knife too. It's the norm now. Only a small percentage of these cases are really about police brutality. Like I said on the other thread, let only black officers work in majority black areas and let me know how that works out.

[dolphins4life]

It doesn't mean that people want to riot and protest and go after cops for no reason.  You're starting with a failed premise.

  Then why?

[dolphins4life]

Meh, they're doing it with that fat girl the knife too. It's the norm now. Only a small percentage of these cases are really about police brutality. Like I said on the other thread, let only black officers work in majority black areas and let me know how that works out.

  I agree with this.  Chauvin's case was, but most of the others are not

[Dave Gray]

  Then why?

First off, movements are not one person or one idea.  There is no "woke mob" with a singular solution. 

This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum.  Police have been brutalizing the black community for 200 years.  So, you will find cases where perhaps they are justified and that community is so accustomed to being fucked by that system that they don't believe it or that it doesn't matter.  And even if you can say that this use of deadly force is authorized, it's very reasonable to think that this same deadly force wouldn't have been used if the knife-holder were white.  I'm not making that claim, but if you've been on the receiving end of police bullshit in your community for your whole life, maybe you'd feel that way.

There is a larger question of how the police interacts with people in general, and with the black community specifically.  That problem doesn't go away with one guilty verdict.  I think what you also need to realize is that Chauvin was found guilty because it was on video and other officers testified against him.  The official report was that he died due to a "medical incident", so it's likely that nothing would've happened had it not been videoed.  Chauvin was the exception, so that community doesn't trust police, in short.  Shit, even on this site, there are a handful of people saying he died from drugs.

[pondwater]

First off, movements are not one person or one idea.  There is no "woke mob" with a singular solution. 

This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum.  Police have been brutalizing the black community for 200 years.  So, you will find cases where perhaps they are justified and that community is so accustomed to being fucked by that system that they don't believe it or that it doesn't matter.  And even if you can say that this use of deadly force is authorized, it's very reasonable to think that this same deadly force wouldn't have been used if the knife-holder were white.  I'm not making that claim, but if you've been on the receiving end of police bullshit in your community for your whole life, maybe you'd feel that way.

Maybe, just maybe if you're being fucked over by people. You learn a lesson and don't put yourself in that situation. You would think that someone with any type of common sense that sees people on TV getting shot when they resist and fight with police, that they wouldn't fight with police. Most people are smart enough not to play with poisonous snakes. But there are some retarded idiots that do play with poisonous snakes and a percentage of them get bit. Play stupid games...

There is a larger question of how the police interacts with people in general, and with the black community specifically.  That problem doesn't go away with one guilty verdict.  I think what you also need to realize is that Chauvin was found guilty because it was on video and other officers testified against him.  The official report was that he died due to a "medical incident", so it's likely that nothing would've happened had it not been videoed.  Chauvin was the exception, so that community doesn't trust police, in short.  Shit, even on this site, there are a handful of people saying he died from drugs.

Can you or anyone else for that matter say 100% that drugs or underlying heart disease didn't play a role or cause in his death? As I have said, his actions were stupid, reckless, and extreme and he needs to be held accountable. But your premise that these things don't happen in a vacuum is 100% wrong. Each case should be judged on the specific facts of that singular case. That's exactly why the jury is usually sequestered. Chauvin shouldn't have to pay for anything anyone else did in the past. That's exactly why the jury is usually sequestered and should have been in this case. If you think he got a fair trial you're just as crazy as the people burning down shit. The verdicts returned were due to pressure from the leftist WOKE MOB screaming for "justice" for all the perceived past wrongdoings done to black people.  It was purely political, anyone can see that. He should have been found guilty, but not of 2 murder charges and a manslaughter charge.

[Tenshot13]

Venomous snakes not poisonous.  If it bites you and you die it's venomous.  If you bite it and die it's poisonous....

Continue the discussion.

[pondwater]

Venomous snakes not poisonous.  If it bites you and you die it's venomous.  If you bite it and die it's poisonous....

Continue the discussion.

Thank you sir for your input. I actually appreciate it and unlike other people around here, I can admit when I'm wrong. They could care less couldn't care less whether they're wrong or not, LMFAO. Anyhow, gotta keep the "proper use of terminology" to keep the discussion on track.

[Spider-Dan]

You would think that someone with any type of common sense that sees people on TV getting shot when they resist and fight with police, that they wouldn't fight with police. Most people are smart enough not to play with poisonous snakes. But there are some retarded idiots that do play with poisonous snakes and a percentage of them get bit. Play stupid games...

Strange that you continually espouse this kind of "If you resist police at all, in any way, your life is forfeit" position that justifies lethal force from police at the drop of a hat, yet when it comes to people invading the US Capitol to stop the certification of a presidential election, somehow I don't see you saying that every single person on Capitol grounds that day should have left in a bodybag.

[pondwater]

Strange that you continually espouse this kind of "If you resist police at all, in any way, your life is forfeit" position that justifies lethal force from police at the drop of a hat, yet when it comes to people invading the US Capitol to stop the certification of a presidential election, somehow I don't see you saying that every single person on Capitol grounds that day should have left in a bodybag.

To my knowledge none of them are dead because they resisted arrest when law enforcement tracked them down and arrested them. That would be a more comparable situation. Now, if when law enforcement tracked them down and if they resisted arrest, assaulted law enforcement, and presented a threat. Whether they were white, black, Asian, Latino, fat, skinny, gay, straight, or TRANSformers. Then by all means, shoot their ass dead just like that fat ass chick with the knife. That should clear up any confusion that you have.

Now, if you would like to start a thread about what happened at the Capital. You are more than welcome to do that.

[ArtieChokePhin]

I find it very scary to see that people are protesting this.  Even with body camera footage that shows a justified use of force, people are protesting.  It shows that people want to riot and protest and go after cops for no reason.  Is anybody other than me disturbed by this?

Not one bit disturbed or surprised by this.   The people protesting the Bryant case are blinded by BLM's bullshit.  They are unable to think rationally.   Anyone who thinks rationally would know that if a cop observes you attacking someone with a deadly weapon, you are going to get shot.

[Spider-Dan]

To my knowledge none of them are dead because they resisted arrest when law enforcement tracked them down and arrested them.

You're talking about arrests after the fact, days after they were already allowed to freely go home.
I'm talking about when they were committing the crime.

Ma'Khia Bryant wasn't attacking a police officer; she was committing another crime (assault, possibly attempted murder) and was shot dead in the attempt (which you loudly support).  So why weren't you calling for the Capitol invaders to be shot dead in the act of committing their crimes?

You clearly have different standards for when lethal force is warranted, and it's not based on the crime - it's based on the suspect.

[pondwater]

You're talking about arrests after the fact, days after they were already allowed to freely go home.
I'm talking about when they were committing the crime.

Ma'Khia Bryant wasn't attacking a police officer; she was committing another crime (assault, possibly attempted murder) and was shot dead in the attempt (which you loudly support).  So why weren't you calling for the Capitol invaders to be shot dead in the act of committing their crimes?

It's really pretty simple. The title of this thread is "The Bryant Case is Disturbing" and that's what I'm discussing. Not discussing "Why didn't they shoot the people that participated in the capital riot" or any other red herring topics that your randomly picking from the last 10 years to misdirect the thread.

You clearly have different standards for when lethal force is warranted, and it's not based on the crime - it's based on the suspect.

No, it's based on the circumstances. Obviously you didn't read my last post, like this part here.

Whether they were white, black, Asian, Latino, fat, skinny, gay, straight, or TRANSformers. Then by all means, shoot their ass dead just like that fat ass chick with the knife. That should clear up any confusion that you have.

Spider, do you support the police shooting a person attempting to murder another person?

Now, if you would like to start a thread about what happened at the Capital. You are more than welcome to do that.

[Spider-Dan]

When discussing inconsistencies in a person's position, it is necessary to refer to their prior statements in past examples; in this case, regarding the appropriate use of force by law enforcement for what an officer perceives to be a crime in progress.

Your attempts to insist that we only talk about this position you hold right now and not the previous positions you have held that contradict it is, in effect, trying to avoid accountability for your past statements.

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