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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2021, 03:26:16 pm »

Given that Bill O'Brien is no longer in the league, I don't think you can expect anyone else to trade 3 first-round picks to draft a TE.  And if MIA did have Waddle as their top target (?!), they executed their strategy perfectly.

To move up from 4 to 3 wouldn't cost 3 first round picks.  They would've gotten at least a high second rounder which could've been used on Javonte Williams
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2021, 03:51:06 pm »

And how would you feel if MIA executed said trade and then drafted Waddle at 4?  They clearly valued Waddle over Smith, and you don't know that they valued Chase over Waddle.

Besides, even if MIA had that offer on the table, they still should have taken the SF deal.  A first-round pick is better than a second-round pick.  And you say that MIA could have traded with ATL and gotten Williams at the same pick he was drafted at, but it doesn't work that way; DEN traded up to 35 because that was one spot ahead of MIA, who obviously wanted the last top-tier RB.

If MIA was at 35, DEN would have been trading with NYJ at 34.
If MIA was at 38, DEN wouldn't have been talking to ATL at all.
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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2021, 11:06:53 pm »

I'm not liking this draft.  

Miami got too cute with the pre-draft trades. Had they held on to the #3 pick, they could've fleeced Atlanta for Pitts. Instead, they trade down and trade back up hoping Atlanta was going to take a QB and Cincy would take Sewell. Instead, their top two targets (Chase and Pitts) were both grabbed, leaving them to settle for Waddle.

Then they grab Phillips at 18, who has concussion concerns. If they wanted an established edge rusher, Paye would've been a much better choice.

Then they got cute again in the second round and traded up, giving up almost all of their day three picks to draft a safety when other needs were more pressing. They could've stood pat and gotten Eichenberg, but instead had to trade up to draft their next OT target.

Then in the third round with Trey Sermon and Michael Carter still on the board, they decide to not address the RB spot and grab a TE who I've never heard of.

And now this afternoon, they only have two picks in four rounds

TBH, I think this team blew a grand opportunity to get some serious talent in the fold. If these guys don't pan out, it could cost Grier his job.

Count me in for most of the above.

I don't blame Miami taking the Godfather offer from the Niners, but to burn one of those gained first rounders to trade back to #6 for Waddle was IMO a blunder considering we already had added Fuller in free agency and did not end up addressing key areas we have somehow managed to get even weaker in: RB and LB.

Or to put this another way: we have effectively used TWO first round picks on Waddle. That doesn't sound quite so hot now, does it?

This will be against popular opinion, but I would have not traded back up, kept the extra first rounder for next year and snapped up Parsons at #12, Najee Harris at #18, then in the second round addressed the EDGE, then added either an additional lineman or circled back for a speedy WR (remember, this draft was deep in WR prospects plus we already added Fuller).

Look, we drafted some talented guys, and I know (and I suspect quite a few of you also know) rebuilding a team from scratch is a long game and requires patience - the problem is we are coming off an (IMO overrated) 10-6 season and some people have unrealistic expectations that we are already a playoff or even (gasp!) Superbowl contender. We aren't, and by neglecting key areas of weakness, there is a very real possibility we could go backwards this year (especially if the Jets and Patriots improve).

So yeah, if these guys don't pan out, if Tua doesn't improve because we have no rushing game so he has to throw it 40-50 times a game (and is facing a blitz every down), and if we drop in the AFC East this year, there could be a lot of heat all of a sudden on Grier.

Maybe he doesn't deserve it if that happens because we are midway through a rebuild - then again maybe he does. After screwing the pooch on drafting at the RB position two years in a row because they thought their guy would drop to them (which is by definition, insanity) and completely ignoring the massive hole we have at LB, my faith has been shaken - and I think I am a fairly patient and longsighted supporter.
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2021, 11:43:24 pm »

Then in the third round with Trey Sermon and Michael Carter still on the board, they decide to not address the RB spot and grab a TE who I've never heard of.

Really doesn't make much sense when we already have Gesicki and Smythe already set at the TE position... until you read that they are both scheduled to be free agents at the end of the season.

This has the same foul stench of the bad-old Ireland/Aponte days of using the draft to cut costs. God I hope I'm wrong...
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2021, 07:50:03 am »

A lot of you are too stuck on the players you wanted them to draft.  Mel Kiper said we had the best draft out of anyone.  Sportingnews.com gave us the best draft ranking out of everyone.  Stop being negative nancy's.
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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2021, 08:19:46 am »

Or to put this another way: we have effectively used TWO first round picks on Waddle. That doesn't sound quite so hot now, does it?
Is this the new math? We had the #3 pick. We ended up with Waddle PLUS a #1 in 2023 not to mention the swap of 1st round picks with SF which some think is more valueable then the #1 in 2023 (that remains to be seen) and somehow we used 2 picks on Waddle? I think you are confused.
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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2021, 09:27:35 am »

Is this the new math? We had the #3 pick. We ended up with Waddle PLUS a #1 in 2023 not to mention the swap of 1st round picks with SF which some think is more valueable then the #1 in 2023 (that remains to be seen) and somehow we used 2 picks on Waddle? I think you are confused.

If you don't understand what I mean, it's because you choose not to. There's nothing confused about it, you can manipulate mathematics however way you want.

In short we turned #3 into 3x first round draft picks from the deal with the Niners - #12 in this draft , their first in 2022, their first in 2023.

We used that #12 plus our 2022 first to move up to draft Waddle. That's 2x first rounders in my book. Yeah, we may have only had #3 to start with, but after the Niners deal we had 3x firsts from that one pick and then turned it into two, costing us another pick to move back up to get him.

You choose to say we only had #3 to start with, you can say that we were brilliant because we wound up with Waddle and their 2023 first from that #3 pick and that's all fine. But we could have had Parsons and an additional first rounder in 2022. That's the point I'm making, it's a cost we chose to make. A big one.
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2021, 09:47:43 am »

I'm surprised you wanted Parsons he is a garbage human being.
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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2021, 09:59:31 am »

If you don't understand what I mean, it's because you choose not to.
No, you are WAY overthinking (underthinking?) it. Honestly the #3 pick wasn't even ours it came from the Tunsil trade. Maybe the below link will help clear things up for you. We FLEECED Houston for 7 players, still have 2 more draft picks to make and you're complaining about the players taken. As far as Waddle is concerned we took the #3 pick and turned it into Waddle, Eichenberg and the 49'ers #1 pick in 2023 and yet you still believe we used 2 1st round picks on Waddle. Some people just have to complain.

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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2021, 10:19:25 am »

I've got to agree with Pappy, you're being ridiculous
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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2021, 10:53:35 am »

No, you are WAY overthinking (underthinking?) it.

I've got to agree with Pappy, you're being ridiculous

We clearly have different points of view, and I was trying to explain it logically.

Don't get personal about it guys.
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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2021, 10:57:20 am »

I'm not taking it personal, your logic is just way flawed.  I won't brow beat you about it though, to each their own.
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« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2021, 02:13:21 pm »

I can understand being somewhat disappointed with the draft. However some of you are acting as if Miami completely blew the draft. Reading these posts might lead some people to believe that Miami will be worse off because of this draft.
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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2021, 07:29:04 pm »

I can understand being somewhat disappointed with the draft. However some of you are acting as if Miami completely blew the draft. Reading these posts might lead some people to believe that Miami will be worse off because of this draft.

If we only picked Waddle, we would be a better team. As it stands, we might have the most depth in the league. That doesn't mean we have Pro Bowler after Pro Bowler, but we can go down at almost any position and be okay for a few games.
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« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2021, 09:11:49 pm »

I can understand being somewhat disappointed with the draft. However some of you are acting as if Miami completely blew the draft. Reading these posts might lead some people to believe that Miami will be worse off because of this draft.

Because some people here actually said that.
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