Rounds 2-3 Draft Thread

[EDGECRUSHER]

With the selection of Holland, it is very likely that McCain and Rowe will be gone due to their cap hits unless they want to take big pay cuts and reduced roles. Even then, at least one of them is going.

[Downunder Dolphan]

We finally pick a RB up - in round 7 again, and our last pick of the draft...

So the "brains trust" of our team figures Gaskin will be our #1 back after a massive 584 yard season, when teams began to figure him out towards the end and he started coughing up the ball...

Better get a bucket...

[Downunder Dolphan]

With the selection of Holland, it is very likely that McCain and Rowe will be gone due to their cap hits unless they want to take big pay cuts and reduced roles. Even then, at least one of them is going.

There seems to be a pattern here going back to the Jeff Ireland days - we seem to be picking younger and cheaper replacements each year for our existing better players.

If this is a Ross directive to his staff, someone should send him a message - a successful team in the NFL is one that wins Superbowls, it's not the cheapest list on the field.

 

[Phishfan]

We finally pick a RB up - in round 7 again, and our last pick of the draft...

So the "brains trust" of our team figures Gaskin will be our #1 back after a massive 584 yard season, when teams began to figure him out towards the end and he started coughing up the ball...

Better get a bucket...

The guy played 10 games with a 4.1ypc and fumbled twice all season. I don't get your hard on for him. Is he a stud, of course not but he is serviceable.

[EDGECRUSHER]

The guy played 10 games with a 4.1ypc and fumbled twice all season. I don't get your hard on for him. Is he a stud, of course not but he is serviceable.

That's what I'm saying. Not a good O-Line and no other offense due to injuries and rookie QB's and he still had a 4.1 YPC. Drafting a RB was not a top need. I would've taken Harris if he fell to the 3rd round but no RB is worth a 1st rounder except for the once a decade guys like Barkley.

[Downunder Dolphan]

Am I being a bit tough on Gaskin? Probably is the answer.

But as you guys have said he is not a stud RB, and if you have dreams of a Superbowl dynasty you gotta get one. Especially with a very young QB.

We had a lot of high picks to do it this year, and chose not to. Apparently this is the RB roster we are happy with after adding Malcolm Brown. Will that bite us?

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article251091939.html

[Tenshot13]

Am I being a bit tough on Gaskin? Probably is the answer.

But as you guys have said he is not a stud RB, and if you have dreams of a Superbowl dynasty you gotta get one. Especially with a very young QB.

We had a lot of high picks to do it this year, and chose not to. Apparently this is the RB roster we are happy with after adding Malcolm Brown. Will that bite us?

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article251091939.html

Oh?  Name me a Superbowl dynasty in recent memory that had a stud RB.

[Spider-Dan]

Do you believe NE is the only SB dynasty "in recent memory"?  If so, that's kind of a loaded question.

Most SB champions that did not have Tom Brady at QB featured an RB who had a recent All-Pro or Pro Bowl selection.  Does that count as a "stud RB"?

[Tenshot13]

Do you believe NE is the only SB dynasty "in recent memory"?  If so, that's kind of a loaded question.

Most SB champions that did not have Tom Brady at QB featured an RB who had a recent All-Pro or Pro Bowl selection.  Does that count as a "stud RB"?

Name them.  I had to go all the way back 2014 with the Seahawks to find a "Stud" RB on a team that won the superbowl.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Name them.  I had to go all the way back 2014 with the Seahawks to find a "Stud" RB on a team that won the superbowl.

Certainly can't hurt to have a great RB on your team, but there just aren't too many great and consistent RBs in the league, period.

Henry for the Titans is obviously great and helps that offense, but then you go to guys like Ezekiel and Barkley and while they are good, they haven't taken their teams anywhere. I don't even know who played RB for the Bucs or Chiefs. It just seems like a luxury in today's NFL rather than a requirement for success. The Bills and Steelers certainly didn't have great RBs and they won their divisions. How many more teams are like them?

[Spider-Dan]

Name them.  I had to go all the way back 2014 with the Seahawks to find a "Stud" RB on a team that won the superbowl.

Among SB champions in the previous 10 years that did not have Tom Brady at QB...

2019 (KC): LeSean McCoy has made 2 All-Pro teams and 6 Pro Bowls (most recently in 2017); he led the league in rushing yards for the 2010s
2017 (PHI): Jay Ajayi made the Pro Bowl the year prior
2015 (DEN): CJ Anderson made the Pro Bowl the year prior
2013 (SEA): you already got this one
2012 (BAL): Ray Rice made the Pro Bowl (but did not participate due to SBXLVII)
2011 (NYG): none
2010 (GB): John Kuhn made the Pro Bowl the year after GB won, but you could say he doesn't count because he's a FB

Even if we throw out McCoy and Kuhn, the majority of those teams had a Pro Bowl-caliber RB.

If you look at the previous 10 years, it's a pretty similar story.  Willie Parker, Joseph Addai, Jerome Bettis, Corey Dillon, Jamal Lewis, Marshall Faulk... the champions usually had a Pro Bowl-caliber RB.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Among SB champions in the previous 10 years that did not have Tom Brady at QB...

2019 (KC): LeSean McCoy has made 2 All-Pro teams and 6 Pro Bowls (most recently in 2017); he led the league in rushing yards for the 2010s
2017 (PHI): Jay Ajayi made the Pro Bowl the year prior
2015 (DEN): CJ Anderson made the Pro Bowl the year prior
2013 (SEA): you already got this one
2012 (BAL): Ray Rice made the Pro Bowl (but did not participate due to SBXLVII)
2011 (NYG): none
2010 (GB): John Kuhn made the Pro Bowl the year after GB won, but you could say he doesn't count because he's a FB

Even if we throw out McCoy and Kuhn, the majority of those teams had a Pro Bowl-caliber RB.

If you look at the previous 10 years, it's a pretty similar story.  Willie Parker, Joseph Addai, Jerome Bettis, Corey Dillon, Jamal Lewis, Marshall Faulk... the champions usually had a Pro Bowl-caliber RB.

2019- Shady didn't play a down in that Super Bowl and was washed up by the end of the year.  The Chiefs main RB was none other than Dolphins reject Damien Williams and he actually looked good, but any average RB would look like a star on that loaded team. 

2017- Ajayi wasn't even the starter on that Philly squad.  He had one good year in 2016 and that was pretty much it for him.

2011- No Pro Bowlers but the Giants had gotten away with their RB by committee Brandon Jacobs/Ahmad Bradshaw for years and it worked. 

Bottom line is, you don't necessarily need a stud RB but you do need some semblance of a running game.

[Spider-Dan]

Ajayi was traded to PHI halfway through the season.  Excluding the week 17 game where PHI rested their starters (having already clinched homefield), Ajayi led the Eagles in rushing yards every game but one, even though he was technically "coming off the bench."

[Pappy13]

Among SB champions in the previous 10 years that did not have Tom Brady at QB...

2019 (KC): LeSean McCoy has made 2 All-Pro teams and 6 Pro Bowls (most recently in 2017); he led the league in rushing yards for the 2010s
2017 (PHI): Jay Ajayi made the Pro Bowl the year prior
2015 (DEN): CJ Anderson made the Pro Bowl the year prior
2013 (SEA): you already got this one
2012 (BAL): Ray Rice made the Pro Bowl (but did not participate due to SBXLVII)
2011 (NYG): none
2010 (GB): John Kuhn made the Pro Bowl the year after GB won, but you could say he doesn't count because he's a FB

I think this list supports the idea that you don't need to pick a RB in the 1st round.

[ArtieChokePhin]

I think this list supports the idea that you don't need to pick a RB in the 1st round.

That's my whole point.  Had we not gotten cute with pre-draft trades, we could've had a stud running back like Javonte Williams in addition to what we currently have.