It pays not to work in Biden's America

[Spider-Dan]

again ... $15 an hour for a job that requires zero skill is absolutely ludicrous.

What is the appropriate wage for an undesirable job that requires zero prior skill?

Garbagemen are not paid well because the job is difficult and requires extensive training; they are paid well because everyone wants the job done, but few want to do it.

[Spider-Dan]

Business are offering hiring bonuses to get people for $12.50/ hour minimum wage jobs at grocery stores and restaurants.  No one wants to work with the current unemployment free ride.

Given that grocery stores and restaurants are right behind healthcare as two of the industries most likely to expose workers to the potentially-infected public, it's hard to blame people for preferring to stay home on unemployment.

Especially when you have people on the "news" channel telling them that the vaccines are untested and potentially dangerous.

[Fau Teixeira]

Free market only applies when people are being screwed.  Give people any baseline of stability any sort of safety net and now the free market needs help from the government.

[CF DolFan]

What is the appropriate wage for an undesirable job that requires zero prior skill?

Garbagemen are not paid well because the job is difficult and requires extensive training; they are paid well because everyone wants the job done, but few want to do it.

Great example although you don’t see it. Its a very physical and demanding job just like construction. Again ... jobs people working at Burger King do not want to do to make money so they don’t deserve to be paid like garbage men.

BTW ... not sure your $15 an hour thing is a great example either as places like Target, Costco, Starbucks are looking for people too and they pay $15 an hour. Starbucks is drive through only and sometimes closed altogether.

[Spider-Dan]

Seems to me the lowest paying jobs frequently require the most physical labor.  Housecleaning, janitorial services, and agricultural are some of the most backbreaking work out there, but you apparently believe that since they "require no skill," they deserve to be paid poverty wages.  Not sure why you believe that operating a garbage truck entitles a person to a living wage while working as a fry cook doesn't, outside of contempt for people who work in the fast food industry.

As far as labor shortages at Target and Costco, they aren't the businesses I see posting the Facebook chain letters about how they are "short staffed" because "nobody wants to work." Strangely, those signs are almost always posted at fast food restaurants in areas with pitiful minimum wage laws.  A coincidence, I assure you!

[Spider-Dan]

These identically-worded signs spontaneously appearing across the republic are extremely genuine and normal, believe me:

[CF DolFan]

Seems to me the lowest paying jobs frequently require the most physical labor.  Housecleaning, janitorial services, and agricultural are some of the most backbreaking work out there, but you apparently believe that since they "require no skill," they deserve to be paid poverty wages.  Not sure why you believe that operating a garbage truck entitles a person to a living wage while working as a fry cook doesn't, outside of contempt for people who work in the fast food industry.

As far as labor shortages at Target and Costco, they aren't the businesses I see posting the Facebook chain letters about how they are "short staffed" because "nobody wants to work." Strangely, those signs are almost always posted at fast food restaurants in areas with pitiful minimum wage laws.  A coincidence, I assure you!

LMAO ... If denial was a person it would look exactly like you Dan. It's a service industry conspiracy for sure. Housecleaning is done by everyone so no special skills ... or at least should be as well as janitorial services. I'm guessing by agriculture you mean migrant workers and not the farmers but I can tell you from very first hand experience the Mexicans I picked cucumbers along side of made pretty decent money as it was based on how many baskets or bushels you picked. We used to skip school to go make money for the day. I was slow but could pick enough to pay for my speeding ticket and then have enough money left over to take my girlfriend to dinner in one day. Today at $15 an hour would be $120 so it was at least that much for even this slow arse gringo.

[Spider-Dan]

You keep switching the criteria for who deserves to earn a decent living.  First you said it was about skilled labor, but when I mentioned garbagemen, then you said they make good money because it's serious labor.  And then when I mention people who are scrubbing and mopping all day, suddenly it's back to "no skills." So which is it?  Should unskilled laborers be able to make a living, or not?

[ArtieChokePhin]

When half the people don't want to work because they think the other half will take care of them through the government, and the other half of the people realize it doesn't make sense to work because the government will take what they've earned, then that, my friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

[Fau Teixeira]

Put down the Ayn Rand book. That shit's fantasy land nonsense.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Put down the Ayn Rand book. That shit's fantasy land nonsense.

Fantasy land nonsense my ass.   That was said by a Southern Baptist pastor whom I've met.  He also said that you cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

[Dolphster]

Put down the Ayn Rand book. That shit's fantasy land nonsense.

Ayn Rand was actually right on the money with about 75% of her ideologies.  Her biggest downfall was the failure to understand/accept that any place with an established government would never allow her approach to even be tried because no government is going to give up the power to allow it.  Viewed solely as a philosophical theory, her "Objectivist Movement" and laissez faire approach to government was genius.  As an actual concept to become a reality, it is as you said, "fantasy land" because generally speaking, people suck and governments suck even more. 

[Sunstroke]

Fantasy land nonsense my ass.   That was said by a Southern Baptist pastor whom I've met.  He also said that you cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

Unless that Southern Baptist minister is a psychic, then you know as much about the future as he does. Clairvoyance aside, those are catchy quotes. I know a used car salesman who can whip out a poignant quote or two as well when it's called for...not sure I'd take his word for what the future holds either.

[CF DolFan]

You keep switching the criteria for who deserves to earn a decent living.  First you said it was about skilled labor, but when I mentioned garbagemen, then you said they make good money because it's serious labor.  And then when I mention people who are scrubbing and mopping all day, suddenly it's back to "no skills." So which is it?  Should unskilled laborers be able to make a living, or not?

Nope ... my criteria is you get paid a living wage for doing a job that pays a living wage and if you are fighting high schoolers for a job then that ain't the one. You can play semantics just to argue all you like but you know I'm right.

[dolphins4life]

Could somebody update me on this?  Are people not going bac to work because they earn more on unemployment?