The great gas shortage and hoarding

[Spider-Dan]

I continue to be amazed that more Americans aren't interested in plug-in hybrids.

These kind of stories don't even land on my radar.

[dolphins4life]

I continue to be amazed that more Americans aren't interested in plug-in hybrids.

These kind of stories don't even land on my radar.

  Price, most probably

[Dolphster]

If everyone stops driving for two weeks we can flatten the curve...

Nicely played. 

[Dave Gray]

I saw today that Ford lauched the electric F-150.  It's the most popular car in America, and though the userbase isn't likely to be moved by environmental concerns, that the bet is that they will eventually be moved by the performance increase, similar to how everyone uses electric drills with an ion battery, rather than plugging into the wall.

[SlothVomit]

When I heard about "the great shortage" I realized I was on quarter tank so I filled up. Drove by 3 gas stations before I could find gas. To my surprise I has caught off guard by a lady filling up a trash can full of gas. It's folks like this that have driven me to looking elsewhere to settle down. Not to say stupidity isn't everywhere, but Florida is another beast.

In regards to electric cars/trucks/ect. I can't see myself buying one anytime soon. The fact that I cannot drive more than 400 miles without recharging doesn't work for me. I take a trip every year somewhere new and I prefer to always drive out of pure enjoyment of the scenery. I drive a Silverado so I eat gas and it's a pain but it's big and it's safe. I can only see myself purchasing an EV when I have a family and settled down as a "around town" vehicle. I won't lie, I'll never give up my long hauling trucks.

[Phishfan]

I saw today that Ford lauched the electric F-150.  It's the most popular car in America, and though the userbase isn't likely to be moved by environmental concerns, that the bet is that they will eventually be moved by the performance increase, similar to how everyone uses electric drills with an ion battery, rather than plugging into the wall.

That isn't about performance, it's about convenience and mobility. If someone needs the torque they still use plug in tools.

[Spider-Dan]

In regards to electric cars/trucks/ect. I can't see myself buying one anytime soon. The fact that I cannot drive more than 400 miles without recharging doesn't work for me. I take a trip every year somewhere new and I prefer to always drive out of pure enjoyment of the scenery. I drive a Silverado so I eat gas and it's a pain but it's big and it's safe. I can only see myself purchasing an EV when I have a family and settled down as a "around town" vehicle. I won't lie, I'll never give up my long hauling trucks.

I've owned various plug-in hybrids since 2013.  They're the best of both worlds: on my daily commute, I drive all-electric (the battery is about 35 miles of range), but for longer trips, the car switches over to the gas engine.  I get 40 MPG on gas, with a 9 gallon gas tank.

edit: Here a link to the stats page for my last PHEV:
https://www.voltstats.net/stats/details/7729

[SlothVomit]

I've owned various plug-in hybrids since 2013.  They're the best of both worlds: on my daily commute, I drive all-electric (the battery is about 35 miles of range), but for longer trips, the car switches over to the gas engine.  I get 40 MPG on gas, with a 9 gallon gas tank.

edit: Here a link to the stats page for my last PHEV:
https://www.voltstats.net/stats/details/7729

I suppose its something to consider. I don't know much regarding hybrids so I wont say no to it, however I prefer to drive large gas guzzlers over smaller vehicles. I remember where I came from (Ford focus hatchback when I was first driving) and I appreciated the MPG but when I was destroyed in an accident I told myself never again.

[Spider-Dan]

I highly recommend a RAV4 Prime if you're in the market for that kind of vehicle: 42 electric miles, then it's 38 MPG (with a 14.5 gallon tank) after that.

Unfortunately it's a fairly new model, and the supply is still pretty low.

[SlothVomit]

I highly recommend a RAV4 Prime if you're in the market for that kind of vehicle: 42 electric miles, then it's 38 MPG (with a 14.5 gallon tank) after that.

Unfortunately it's a fairly new model, and the supply is still pretty low.

I appreciate the recommendation. I just bought a new truck last year so I'm gonna run this thing into the ground. Maybe by then they will have something more my style.

[ArtieChokePhin]

I highly recommend a RAV4 Prime if you're in the market for that kind of vehicle: 42 electric miles, then it's 38 MPG (with a 14.5 gallon tank) after that.

Unfortunately it's a fairly new model, and the supply is still pretty low.

Question.  What is the difference between a plug-in hybrid and a parallel hybrid and what would be the better choice according to you?

[CF DolFan]

I saw today that Ford lauched the electric F-150.  It's the most popular car in America, and though the userbase isn't likely to be moved by environmental concerns, that the bet is that they will eventually be moved by the performance increase, similar to how everyone uses electric drills with an ion battery, rather than plugging into the wall.

Until they make a truck that can run all day pulling my 23' boat to the Keys or my enclosed trailer through the mountains that's just a novelty. Many people have trucks just because but those who have them for actually towing or hauling are no where near buying something like that. For a short period of time I had a 4x4 6 cylinder work truck. I got stuck on a job site once and literally could not spin the wheels even in 4 wheel drive. That truck was pretty useless for anything but driving. 

That isn't about performance, it's about convenience and mobility. If someone needs the torque they still use plug in tools.

I agree. Most people have both for just such reasons. I have both corded and battery drills, saws, and impact wrenches.

[Tenshot13]

In my line of work, we need to get to utilities that are sometimes back in the woods of future neighborhoods they haven't started, and if I don't have 4x4 you'll get stuck in the mud.  We also have to tow heavy machinery back there sometimes, or trailers full of shell/crushed concrete.  I'd love to drive an electric vehicle since I drive 100 miles round trip every day for work, but it just doesn't perform well enough for what I need.  To get the same towing capacity in the electric F-150, I'd have to spend $90k.

[Fau Teixeira]

For the electric cars, it's all about incremental steps and improvements. Electric motors run all kinds of heavy machinery, I'm sure we'll eventually get to the point where truck performance is on par with gas performance for 90% of truck owners. At that point, it's just about economies of scale.

Plug in hybrids are a neat idea, I had a co-worker with the BMW i3 that was a plug in hybrid .. seemed ok.

I saw today where the colonial pipeline paid out a few million dollars in ransom to resolve the ransomware attack against them. So lack of private sector competence impacts millions .. again.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Electric cars themselves do almost nothing for the environment. Getting roof top solar helps the environment.