Liberal media's dramatic Covid flip-flop

[CF DolFan]

Hmmm ... from 'toxic conspiracy theory' to likely reality? Like I've said before I wasn't a conspiracy theory kind of person until Trump exposed how fake the media really is. Now it's just normal to ignore much of what is being said by the media as it's more likely just propaganda for someone.

The liberal media have finally conceded that COVID-19 may have originated in a Wuhan laboratory - after a year spent ridiculing the suggestion....

CNN, which by the end of the Trump administration was brazen in its hostility to the president and his advisors, was almost gleeful in its mockery of the idea that the virus could have come from a laboratory.

The Washington Post, New York Times, and NPR were equally dismissive of suggestions that the virus could have come from a laboratory.

Some outlets, such as the Huffington Post, even branded any suggestion the virus could have stemmed from a lab as a 'toxic conspiracy theory.'

Few were able to suggest that COVID-19 could have stemmed from a research facility without backlash but that didn't stop some media, including the Daily Mail, from questioning the narrative.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9615117/A-year-left-wing-news-TRASHED-theory-COVID-originated-Wuhan-lab-outlets-idea.html

[Sunstroke]

I remember your Chosen Mango trying to convince everyone that the whole thing was just a Democratic hoax.

Nothing that comes from the far right has any credibility any more...you may as well get a big ol' Qanon tattoo on your forehead.

...and it will likely be decades before the stench of Trump wears off enough to seriously consider anything the far right has to say.

[dolphins4life]

I remember your Chosen Mango trying to convince everyone that the whole thing was just a Democratic hoax.

Nothing that comes from the far right has any credibility any more...you may as well get a big ol' Qanon tattoo on your forehead.

...and it will likely be decades before the stench of Trump wears off enough to seriously consider anything the far right has to say.

And you think the far left is all goody two shoes honest?   Boy, have I got some real estate to sell you

[ArtieChokePhin]

I remember your Chosen Mango trying to convince everyone that the whole thing was just a Democratic hoax.

Nothing that comes from the far right has any credibility any more...you may as well get a big ol' Qanon tattoo on your forehead.

...and it will likely be decades before the stench of Trump wears off enough to seriously consider anything the far right has to say.

And you expect me to believe leftists are honest and pure, especially the majority of the media outlets?

[Tenshot13]

I'm glad I don't have to jump in this one, you guys seem to have it covered.

[Sunstroke]

And you expect me to believe leftists are honest and pure, especially the majority of the media outlets?

And you think the far left is all goody two shoes honest?   Boy, have I got some real estate to sell you

Neither of you should make assumptions...I think nothing of the sort.

[Dolphster]

And you think the far left is all goody two shoes honest?   Boy, have I got some real estate to sell you

Actually, Sunstroke and Dave are probably the two most open minded guys on the board.  Neither of them subscribe to "party politics" and they are consistent with looking at each specific topic on it's own merit rather than just espousing the party line. 

[ArtieChokePhin]

Actually, Sunstroke and Dave are probably the two most open minded guys on the board.  Neither of them subscribe to "party politics" and they are consistent with looking at each specific topic on it's own merit rather than just espousing the party line. 

Considering they've had multiple posts expressing their disdain for President Trump, which is the best thing that could've happened to America but the leftists don't realize it, that statement is 100% horseshit.

[Dolphster]

Considering they've had multiple posts expressing their disdain for President Trump, which is the best thing that could've happened to America but the leftists don't realize it, that statement is 100% horseshit.

I've only voted Republican and Libertarian my entire life, but I wasn't a huge fan of Trump either.  I liked some of his policies, disliked other ones. 

And if your determination of whether someone is open minded or not hinges solely on whether they liked Trump or not, I'm going to consider your statement to be 100% horseshit too. 

[CF DolFan]

I don't have an issue with people not likeing Trump but if you disagree with him 100% then you don't have an open mind. Several of his biggest stances were shared by previous liberals but suddenly now have become evil with only his election as the only change.

[Spider-Dan]

Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that the virus originated in a lab.

A baseless conspiracy theory with no evidence does not become smart if it's accidentally true.

For example: if I claim that extraterrestrial aliens control our government with no evidence, and then aliens attack and take over the planet, that doesn't mean I'm a genius and a prophet.

What's more: you cannot sieve through Trump's verbal diarreah of the last 10 years, pick out a few choice nuggets of "See, Trump told you COVID was made by China!", and expect people to forget that Trump ALSO said that COVID would be over by Easter 2020, and that we could possibly cure it by injecting disinfectant*.  When you figure out how to tell exactly which crazy Trump statements we should take seriously and which we should ignore as insane trolling, you let us know.

*Just waiting for "When you think about it, vaccines are a kind of disinfectant, so Trump was actually right".

Several of his biggest stances were shared by previous liberals but suddenly now have become evil with only his election as the only change.

You make this claim a lot, but you never seem to explain exactly which positions these are.

I mean, I like the idea of investing in rebuilding infrastructure, and Trump made a lot of mouth noises about the perpetual Infrastructure Week, but that wasn't "evil"; Trump was merely lying and never did any of it, nor had any intention to.  Same goes for his empty, transparent lies about strengthening Medicare or replacing Obamacare with something better: he never did it, and he never had any intention of doing it.

I would love to hear which "liberal" ideas became "evil" when Trump was elected.

[CF DolFan]

I would love to hear which "liberal" ideas became "evil" when Trump was elected.

LMAO ... you know that's pretty easy as I and others have spent 4 years pointing to the hypocrisy of the left ... and yes I get that the right is too but that doesn't change anything.  We will start with the biggest and that's illegal immigration and border security. Both Clintons and Obama promised to strengthen border security and stop illegals from coming in. This speech could have been given by Trump, Bush, or many others but it was Obama who actually said it.
My fellow Americans, tonight, I’d like to talk with you about immigration.

For more than 200 years, our tradition of welcoming immigrants from around the world has given us a tremendous advantage over other nations. It’s kept us youthful, dynamic, and entrepreneurial. It has shaped our character as a people with limitless possibilities –- people not trapped by our past, but able to remake ourselves as we choose.

But today, our immigration system is broken -- and everybody knows it.

Families who enter our country the right way and play by the rules watch others flout the rules. Business owners who offer their workers good wages and benefits see the competition exploit undocumented immigrants by paying them far less. All of us take offense to anyone who reaps the rewards of living in America without taking on the responsibilities of living in America.

[Spider-Dan]

I hope you have something better than "Obama previously said immigrants should obey the law but once Trump is elected, suddenly obeying the law becomes evil!"

My problem with Trump on immigration is not the (likely non-existent) times he said that immigrants are vital to our country but need to follow the law; it's the times that he called them "criminals," called them "rapists," said they come from "shithole countries," obstructed them from legally seeking asylum, and stole their children from them specifically and intentionally as a deterrent to their arrival.

Another example?

[Fau Teixeira]

I agreed with Trump on removing our troops from Afghanistan. Too bad he did nothing about it.

Thankfully he was probably the weakest president we've ever had since maybe William Harrison and he was only president for 30 days.

[Dave Gray]

A lot of these things we're talking about are gray issues that don't have a strict right or wrong.  I pro immigration, in general -- I think it's a net positive for the country and gives us much of our cultural identity.  It's kind of what makes America America, IMO.  But I see how if that goes unchecked, we can get overrun.

My biggest beef with Trump's handling of that was the callousness of it.  There are some terrible side-effects of immigration that we need to find ways to do better, but the Trump administration used those things as a feature to discourage it.  I think that was wrong.  And I think that the wall, while not a terrible idea conceptually, having a strong physical border, is antiquated and should've been dropped in favor of other methods.