Rumors of an Xavien Howard Holdout

[EDGECRUSHER]

When we gave him an extension, at the time he was the highest paid CB or one of the top 3. I forget exactly. However, his contract was dwarfed by Maxwell and he is supposedly unhappy about it. He was great again this season.

Do we tear up the contract he just signed 2 years ago, trade him or tell him to deal with it since he is still paid handsomely? Doesn't seem like our M.O. to rip up his contract already but we don't want him holding out either and creating a distraction. At this point in the offseason, could we even get good value for him if we went the trade route? He is worth multiple 1st rounders to me, so anything less we shouldn't even consider it.

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When we gave him an extension, at the time he was the highest paid CB or one of the top 3. I forget exactly. However, his contract was dwarfed by Maxwell and he is supposedly unhappy about it. He was great again this season.

Do we tear up the contract he just signed 2 years ago, trade him or tell him to deal with it since he is still paid handsomely? Doesn't seem like our M.O. to rip up his contract already but we don't want him holding out either and creating a distraction. At this point in the offseason, could we even get good value for him if we went the trade route? He is worth multiple 1st rounders to me, so anything less we shouldn't even consider it.

I say trade him if he wants to hold out and we'll see how Iggy does year 2.  He was a really raw prospect, but I hear he's been leaps and bounds better, really working his ass off.  Plus you're right, we could get multiple 1st rounders for Howard. 

[EDGECRUSHER]

I say trade him if he wants to hold out and we'll see how Iggy does year 2.  He was a really raw prospect, but I hear he's been leaps and bounds better, really working his ass off.  Plus you're right, we could get multiple 1st rounders for Howard. 

Thing is, who else but a contender would pay that price for him? And if they are a contender, we're talking late 1st rounders now. I think I would only trade him for a Godfather/Idiot Bill O'Brien offer. I am more inclined to tell him to suck it up or just tweek the deal a little. You can't be the highest paid player every year when someone else gets more money.

[Spider-Dan]

At a certain level, you cannot get better by trading away Pro Bowlers for draft picks every year.

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At a certain level, you cannot get better by trading away Pro Bowlers for draft picks every year.

Buy low sell high.  Howard probably doesn't have another year like last season.

[Spider-Dan]

That's a great strategy if your plan is to become the Oakland A's of the NFL:

1) draft talented prospects
2) develop these prospects into elite players
3) trade these players to playoff teams for more draft picks (and/or prospects)
4) use your newly-acquired draft picks to perform step 1 (or prospects to perform step 2)

[EDGECRUSHER]

At a certain level, you cannot get better by trading away Pro Bowlers for draft picks every year.

Agreed. However, with his injury and off field history it wouldn't hurt to listen to an offer IF he is making it clear that he will sit out regular seaosn games for a new contract. Otherwise, they should either stand their ground or tack on n extra year or something. No way do we give him the highest CB contract in the league 2 years after doing it. He isn't starving.

[CF DolFan]

It's not a rumor as he officially isn't there. He wants to get paid to be the highest in the league but he doesn't want to give the money back from when he didn't play the year before. Kind of funny how that works.

The problem lies with if you pay him what he is worth then it's hard to build in areas of need. Both he and the team have to give a little or else the team will suffer as a whole. Not sure if they can find a decent trade partner but I'm sure that's an option if he wants to be the highest paid in the league. 

[EDGECRUSHER]

It's not a rumor as he officially isn't there. He wants to get paid to be the highest in the league but he doesn't want to give the money back from when he didn't play the year before. Kind of funny how that works.

The problem lies with if you pay him what he is worth then it's hard to build in areas of need. Both he and the team have to give a little or else the team will suffer as a whole. Not sure if they can find a decent trade partner but I'm sure that's an option if he wants to be the highest paid in the league. 

I am firmly against redoing his contract just 2 years later, to me that sets a horrible precedent for the rest of the team and it's just too much money to spend on a secondary. I think we are already the league's highest, let's not break our own record.

I am all for keeping him and throwing him a bone where we do that NFL contract magic where he gets more of a signing bonus or guaranteed money but we can't give him a 60% raise just because other people made more money. If it looks like he is going to miss regular seaosn games, then we need to seriously consider trading him and hope that Noah can step up.

[CF DolFan]

From the pre practice media meeting with Flores ...

Flores says renegotiating an extension after the first year of that extension "has never been done before." Flores says he wants all media members to write that the Dolphins love X. "We want to keep him here."

[EDGECRUSHER]

From the pre practice media meeting with Flores ...

Flores says renegotiating an extension after the first year of that extension "has never been done before." Flores says he wants all media members to write that the Dolphins love X. "We want to keep him here."

I guarantee you the Dolphins front office is getting calls from every other NFL team saying not to dare open this can of worms and redo his extension after only two years. Flores himself seems to be laying the seeds with the media that this is pretty crazy and unlikely to happen.

Anything can happen in the NFL. Deshaun Watson was favored to be a Dolphin in January, now he may never play again. Maybe we do cave into his demands but right now that seems unlikely. It would hurt the team in other areas as we would have to let some guys walk.

[hordman]

He wants to get paid to be the highest in the league but he doesn't want to give the money back from when he didn't play the year before. Kind of funny how that works.

^^^^^ THIS

What an asshat, dude played 5 games in 2019 AFTER he got the BIG contract. did he give that money back cause he didn't produce because of injury or did he keep it?

Show me you can be consistent AFTER this season and we'll talk about contract extension/negotiate.

[Spider-Dan]

I would hope that the Dolphins are not receiving phone calls from their competitors asking them not to give more money to a player, as that's the textbook definition of collusion and would force MIA into a position of either having to give Howard more money or potentially become complicit in the collusion.

[EDGECRUSHER]

I would hope that the Dolphins are not receiving phone calls from their competitors asking them not to give more money to a player, as that's the textbook definition of collusion and would force MIA into a position of either having to give Howard more money or potentially become complicit in the collusion.

I don't think they are actually receiving documented phonecalls stating to not pay him, but I'm sure the word is definitely getting to them somehow that the other owners would not like this to happen. You have to imagine they communicate through one form or another about things like this. The owners collude on everything, they all want to win the Superbowl but they want to have control over the players and make money as well.

[CF DolFan]

I would hope that the Dolphins are not receiving phone calls from their competitors asking them not to give more money to a player, as that's the textbook definition of collusion and would force MIA into a position of either having to give Howard more money or potentially become complicit in the collusion.

LOL ... I knew you'd say this. You and your collusion theory. We all know it goes on between players and teams. That's one of them rules that is probably ignored more than it is followed. Kind of like Pat Riley saying about LeBron ... “I would leave the key under the doormat if he would call me and let me know that he’s coming. I would do that, but I doubt very much that key — that key is rusted now,” Riley said (via the Miami Herald). “LeBron, look, he’s one of the greatest of all time, and for four years down here, if we want to go back and remember what those four years were like, it was four years in the Finals, four years of excitement, two world championships with LeBron, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Udonis [Haslem], all of them. It was the best time for the Heat. So I wish him nothing but the best, and if he ever wanted to come back, I’ll put a new shiny key under the mat.”