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Dolphster
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« Reply #75 on: July 29, 2021, 10:30:59 am »

I know this isn't realistic, but I would happily re-negotiate with a player for more money mid contract as long as they paid back money for every year they didn't perform up to the paycheck they are getting. 
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« Reply #76 on: July 29, 2021, 11:22:55 am »

Per source, Xavien Howard not practicing because of minor injury

https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1420764075341013003


"Minor injury"....suuuure.
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« Reply #77 on: July 29, 2021, 11:24:12 am »

Per source, Xavien Howard not practicing because of minor injury

https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1420764075341013003


"Minor injury"....suuuure.

I figured that was going to happen.  Not the first time a player has pulled that and it won't be the last time.  I wouldn't be surprised if Deshaun Watson and/or Aaron Rodgers does the same thing.

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« Reply #78 on: July 29, 2021, 11:32:32 am »

Per source, Xavien Howard not practicing because of minor injury

https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1420764075341013003


"Minor injury"....suuuure.

This just drives down his trade value and once it gets to a certain point, he is staying. He isn't going for a 3rd rounder no matter how bad he behaves. We will just bench him rather than give him away to another contender.
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« Reply #79 on: July 29, 2021, 11:44:07 am »

It didn't seem to effect Jalen Ramsey's value when he was traded.  Howard is close to that level, it shouldn't effect his trade value too much
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« Reply #80 on: July 29, 2021, 12:25:27 pm »

I have mixed feelings about the possibility of trading him. He is still an upper tier CB and the secondary as a unit was very good last year.  I think Noah will improve this year and the secondary has a chance to be outstanding this year if they "keep the band together".   

BUT, at 28 he has more good years behind him than ahead of him and teams look at contracts as being more about what the player can do in the future rather than what they have done in the past.    Xavien isn't young for a CB and if not this year, he will soon lose a step and he isn't exactly a speed demon to begin with.  As a DB nears 30 injuries typically are more common and take longer to heal.  With the year he had last year, his trade value is probably the highest it will be even though it is probably diminished some by his request for a trade which typically drives down (at least a little bit) what you are going to get in exchange. 

I think my personal preference since he is still an upper tier CB and the secondary could be special this year would be to throw some extra money at him (as long as it doesn't put the team in a payroll bind this year or next year) if it is a reasonable amount of money and get another year of hopefully high level performance.  This would also give the team a chance to see for a full season whether Noah is going to be a suitable replacement.  Then after this year trade him.  Even if it is for a little bit less than what you could get this year for him. 

If the team sucked, I would probably feel differently.  But I think they have a legit shot at the playoffs and maybe even advancing in the playoffs this year.  So let's try to field a team that gives them the best chance to win now. 

Of course I will hedge my bets and say that if a team is willing to trade a king's ransom for Xavien, then do it.   LOL
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« Reply #81 on: July 29, 2021, 01:51:43 pm »

Drew Rosenhaus who is not X's agent was on Joe Rose this morning and while he was careful to tiptoe the subject said he expects the Dolphins to find a way to make it work and keep him. Drew is currently trying to get a new contract for Emmanuel Ogbah.
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« Reply #82 on: July 29, 2021, 01:54:43 pm »

I figured that was going to happen.  Not the first time a player has pulled that and it won't be the last time.  I wouldn't be surprised if Deshaun Watson and/or Aaron Rodgers does the same thing.

Rodgers is happy. He's even gotten one of his favorite receivers back at his request. The Green Bay Packers have brought back Randall Cobb, with the team announcing a trade with the Houston Texans for its longtime receiver Wednesday night.
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« Reply #83 on: July 29, 2021, 02:18:09 pm »

Drew Rosenhaus who is not X's agent was on Joe Rose this morning and while he was careful to tiptoe the subject said he expects the Dolphins to find a way to make it work and keep him. Drew is currently trying to get a new contract for Emmanuel Ogbah.

I do too but not this offseason in terms of a new deal. I think they will issue him some verbal guarantees for next offseason and throw in some more money and maybe another year. If this were just about some more guaranteed money, it would've happened already. He clearly wants more but I don't think we will make him the highest paid CB in the league AGAIN.
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« Reply #84 on: August 05, 2021, 10:47:19 am »

Noah isn't looking too great in practices. Against backups, he got burned quite a bit and was replaced by Nik Needham. I know he is young and was a project, but you don't get torched by Isaiah Ford in practice.

This can work against Howard because if Miami feels that Noah isn't ready to take over, then they are less likely to trade him and it's unlikely Howard sits out games if all he wants is more money.
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« Reply #85 on: August 08, 2021, 10:21:00 am »

Howard has agreed to a restructured contract with extra incentives added on.   This will give him the chance to earn the extra money he's been demanding but protect the team if he gets hurt again.    
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« Reply #86 on: August 08, 2021, 11:56:15 am »

Howard has agreed to a restructured contract with extra incentives added on.   This will give him the chance to earn the extra money he's been demanding but protect the team if he gets hurt again.    

Good, glad this is over, for now.
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« Reply #87 on: August 08, 2021, 02:47:43 pm »

And miraculously, his "injury" will be just fine now.  I'm glad he is ready to go to work now.  But generally speaking, I find the whole fake injury tactic and the holdout tactic to be sorry ass moves when players do that.  You are under contract.  If you want to try to renegotiate, fine.  But don't hold out and don't fake an injury to use as leverage.  You were happy with the contract when you signed it.  Suck it up.  And I never seen any of these guys racing to the bank to made a withdrawl to repay their team when they don't play up to their contract.  I'm not just talking about Xavien.  I don't like it when anyone does it. 
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« Reply #88 on: August 08, 2021, 02:52:12 pm »

And miraculously, his "injury" will be just fine now.  I'm glad he is ready to go to work now.  But generally speaking, I find the whole fake injury tactic and the holdout tactic to be sorry ass moves when players do that.  You are under contract.  If you want to try to renegotiate, fine.  But don't hold out and don't fake an injury to use as leverage.  You were happy with the contract when you signed it.  Suck it up.  And I never seen any of these guys racing to the bank to made a withdrawl to repay their team when they don't play up to their contract.  I'm not just talking about Xavien.  I don't like it when anyone does it. 
I wonder what Belichick and the Patriots would have done in the same situation?
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« Reply #89 on: August 08, 2021, 06:11:46 pm »

And miraculously, his "injury" will be just fine now.  I'm glad he is ready to go to work now.  But generally speaking, I find the whole fake injury tactic and the holdout tactic to be sorry ass moves when players do that.  You are under contract.  If you want to try to renegotiate, fine.  But don't hold out and don't fake an injury to use as leverage.  You were happy with the contract when you signed it.  Suck it up.  And I never seen any of these guys racing to the bank to made a withdrawl to repay their team when they don't play up to their contract.  I'm not just talking about Xavien.  I don't like it when anyone does it. 

I am a big fan of incentive laden contracts.  If I was a GM I would push them heavy.  Say a guy who would normally get a $5 million per year contract, gets a $2 million dollar contract a bonus worth $3 million that requires 90% production from last year and another $2 million if he hits 120% and another $3 million if he hits 150%.  Meaning if he is playing like a $10 million dollar player he gets $10 million, but if he sucks he makes less.
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