Rumors of an Xavien Howard Holdout

[Dave Gray]

The server at Applebees is the product? I thought my Bourbon Street steak was the product...

That was, ineloquently, the point I was trying to make.

The server isn't the product.  Where, I think that the player is.

[pondwater]

Not likely.  The player is paying taxes on his earnings (both salary and endorsements)   Granted if he invests those earnings, he can use the same tax evasion methods to avoid taxes on the investment earnings. 

Howard probably pays more in taxes than Ross.  Brady probably pays more in taxes than Kraft.

It's not "tax evasion" if it's legal. You're not evading taxes, you're paying what you're legally required to pay according to the current tax code. The federal government usually only has the authority to tax actual income. That means any property bought with after tax money is usually sheltered until that property is sold for a profit or loss. Taxed income isn't realized until property is sold for a profit. And rightfully so, if your money is tied up in stocks, bonds, or property you can't spend it until you cash it out, at which point it will be taxed. Anyone not using every legal means to lower their tax burden is not a very smart person.

[pondwater]

That was, ineloquently, the point I was trying to make.

The server isn't the product.  Where, I think that the player is.

I would somewhat disagree with that. The actual games are the product and the players are one of the ingredients. Kind of like a pizza from Papa Johns. If their supplier starts charging too much to supply the pepperoni. They'll get a different supplier. The pizza/product may be better or worse but the actual pizza is still what people are paying for. I doubt that very many people are paying or watching to specifically see crybaby Xavian play. If he dropped off the face of the earth tomorrow, the games/product would still be there. Specific players are just a piece of the puzzle.

[Dolphster]

That's why what Derek Jeter did with the Marlins was so disgraceful. Basically, bought the team with a majority of his net worth (as well as the other owners) and immediately started gutting it and selling assets to lower all costs, even knowing that the value of the franchise would go up every year. He made the onfield product suffer greatly so that they could recoup some of their "losses".

It's an absolute monopoly and no owners get any sympathy from me. I only care about contract finances due to the salary cap, otherwise I wouldn't care at all.

The business side of it all has made me less of a sports fan than I used to be.  I try to ignore the business side, but since it effects the game so much as in your comment about Jeter, it is damn impossible to ignore it. 

[EDGECRUSHER]

The business side of it all has made me less of a sports fan than I used to be.  I try to ignore the business side, but since it effects the game so much as in your comment about Jeter, it is damn impossible to ignore it. 

This is why I haven't watched baseball in years, I actively hate the Yankees now due to ownership. Don't cry poverty and how you have to stay under the luxury tax when you are making tens of millions a year, your franchise goes up in value every year and you keep raising ticket prices. Might as well root for Verizon or Home Depot if we are just going to play the profit game.

[Dave Gray]

I would somewhat disagree with that. The actual games are the product and the players are one of the ingredients. Kind of like a pizza from Papa Johns. If their supplier starts charging too much to supply the pepperoni. They'll get a different supplier. The pizza/product may be better or worse but the actual pizza is still what people are paying for.

I think this is fair.

But nobody is going to Papa John's because of how good the pepperoni is.  Most people wouldn't notice if you changed it out and there probably isn't a huge difference in pizza pepperoni quality, though I admit that I'm not an expert on the subject.  I do think that people go to see star players play.  There is a direct impact on the bottom line on the team.

[Tenshot13]

I think this is fair.

But nobody is going to Papa John's because of how good the pepperoni is.  Most people wouldn't notice if you changed it out and there probably isn't a huge difference in pizza pepperoni quality, though I admit that I'm not an expert on the subject.  I do think that people go to see star players play.  There is a direct impact on the bottom line on the team.

Maybe cheese is a better example.  Or sauce.  You'll notice the quality there lol.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Maybe cheese is a better example.  Or sauce.  You'll notice the quality there lol.

If you eat Papa John's, you will notice nothing because you are high.

[Dolphster]

Might as well root for Verizon or Home Depot if we are just going to play the profit game.

As someone who owns stock in both Verizon and Home Depot, i am going to unapologetically root for them both.  LOL   Although Verizon has underperformed for me so they need to step up their game. 

[Tenshot13]

If you eat Papa John's, you will notice nothing because you are high.

Hey, I rather like Papa John's

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I think this is fair.

But nobody is going to Papa John's because of how good the pepperoni is.  Most people wouldn't notice if you changed it out and there probably isn't a huge difference in pizza pepperoni quality, though I admit that I'm not an expert on the subject.  I do think that people go to see star players play.  There is a direct impact on the bottom line on the team.

Disagree, my pizza place changed sauces and I changed pizza places.  My football team changed QB. -  I am still a Patriots fan.

[masterfins]

I think this is fair.

But nobody is going to Papa John's because of how good the pepperoni is.  Most people wouldn't notice if you changed it out and there probably isn't a huge difference in pizza pepperoni quality, though I admit that I'm not an expert on the subject.  I do think that people go to see star players play.  There is a direct impact on the bottom line on the team.

For some teams fans go to see star players.  But that's not most teams, and IMO that's not the current Dolphins roster.  I wouldn't go to a Dolphins game right now because I wanted to see Xavien or Tua, I go to a game because of decades of goodwill that came from watching past teams.  Current players and owners make their money off of the backs of prior teams/players (with the exception of maybe 10 or 20% of the top athletes currently playing that are considered stars).

[Tenshot13]

Disagree, my pizza place changed sauces and I changed pizza places.  My football team changed QB. -  I am still a Patriots fan.

One of few, many switched to the Bucs

[masterfins]

So I like this re-working of Xavien's contract, and I think it's fair to both sides.  He says he's the best, and he will get extra money if he performs like he did last year.  The additional guarantee of his salary for one more year is also fair to both sides.  The only downside you come across in these performance laden contracts is when you get towards the end of the season and X wants to be on the field to get snaps in to reach an incentive, when maybe he shouldn't be out there.  Or sometimes there are ruthless owners that tell the coach to sit a player so he doesn't have to pay the incentive.  Hopefully, they won't run into this problem.

[Sunstroke]

If you eat Papa John's, you will notice nothing because you are high.

I'm high fairly regularly...and I notice everything, especially if it involves the taste of my munchies.