2/3 of southern Republicans and 47% of Democrats in the Pacific favor seceding

[CF DolFan]

Basically issues like the stupid arguments made in this forum have more and more people wanting two different countries. It's both liberals and conservatives and not only the extreme of either side. I saw a "prediction" yesterday that our country will be torn apart and will cease to exist as a super power by 2040. In the past I would have laughed but it is scary real in today's US.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9789389/Two-three-Republicans-South-support-SECEDING-survey-finds.html

[Sunstroke]

Good riddance...Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

[Dave Gray]

We'll be fine -- we just have to correct.  We're on a weird trajectory with the GOP -- I know it's the same thing and you think I'm nuts, but they're not a functioning party with a political ideology.

But that will correct.  We gotta get past the cult of personality / grievance politics and they'll re-adopt some small government stuff again.  There needs to be that push/pull for our country to work correctly.


Side note:

I can see the parties flipping, in terms of support from minorities.  Right now, the general consensus is that the GOP is the party for white dudes and the Dems are the coalition of everyone else, but when you look at the actual social issues, if the GOP could get rid of the xenophobic stuff, I think they could take over and win on those issues.

The rest of the world -- Caribbean nations, Black, Spanish, Asian -- they're pretty socially conservative, religious, superstitious, traditional-family oriented and not all that trusting of government authority.  If you combine those messages with personal freedom and limited government, I think the GOP could be the dominant percentage of the population again. 

[Phishfan]

Haven't you heard, the GOP is all for personal freedom and small government except for the cases of marriage,  military,  reproduction,  marijuana, etc.

[Dave Gray]

I can't believe that the GOP didn't latch on to marijuana legalization 10 years ago.  It was there for the taking.  Trump should've pushed it.  It is such a winning cause and his base would have liked it.

[Dolphster]

CF, I saw that article too.  I'm typically skeptical of polls to begin with, so I have to think that those numbers are fairly inflated.  Honestly I have neither the time nor the care to invest any time looking into the details of how the poll was conducted, but those numbers just seem pretty high to me.

[Dave Gray]

CF, I saw that article too.  I'm typically skeptical of polls to begin with, so I have to think that those numbers are fairly inflated.  Honestly I have neither the time nor the care to invest any time looking into the details of how the poll was conducted, but those numbers just seem pretty high to me.

It's also cherry picking who it's talking about.  Liberals in the west, Conservatives in the South -- it's not full demographics of those who would actually be involved in the secession.

[Dolphster]

It's also cherry picking who it's talking about.  Liberals in the west, Conservatives in the South -- it's not full demographics of those who would actually be involved in the secession.

I didn't think of that, but I agree with you. 

[CF DolFan]

I don't put any credence into the actual numbers but it does point to a growing feeling of separation.  I think we are more fractured now than we have been since the Civil War and it seems to be getting worse and not better. We are so far apart on what should be normal situations that it can feel hopeless.

Even though for political reasons Trump is supposedly in love with Putin Republicans are pretty consistent in hating communism and support the fall of Cuba while BLM and Biden's people seem to think it's our fault for making it hard on the nice communist government. That's not only weird to me it grosses me out because I can't relate to it. The people being prosecuted in Cuba and even China are carrying American flags so obviously they aren't blaming us for upsetting their leaders. I don't get it.

[Fau Teixeira]

since when is russia or china communist ? They're pretty good examples of extreme authoritarian capitalism

at this point the united states is way more socialist than china or russia

[Phishfan]

I can't believe that the GOP didn't latch on to marijuana legalization 10 years ago.  It was there for the taking.  Trump should've pushed it.  It is such a winning cause and his base would have liked it.

Trump is a teetotaler isn't he?

[Spider-Dan]

I can't believe that the GOP didn't latch on to marijuana legalization 10 years ago.  It was there for the taking.  Trump should've pushed it.  It is such a winning cause and his base would have liked it.

Perhaps you have forgotten the target demographic of the war on drugs.
There is zero chance the GOP runs on legalization.  You might as well wish for them to run on "small government" in the bedroom.

[Spider-Dan]

I'd say this poll is worded to engineer a particular result.  The exact question asked was:

“Would you support or oppose (your state) seceding from the United States to join a new union with (list of states in new union)?”

Here are the sets that were offered:

- Pacific: California, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, and Alaska
- Mountain: Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico
- South: Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee
- Heartland: Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, and Nebraska
- Northeast: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, and the District of Columbia

Given that choice, the following image should not be surprising:



Look at the numbers for Republicans in the West or Northeast.  Look at the numbers for Democrats in the other three regions.  As I've said before, this "solution" wouldn't actually solve anything; it would just shift grievances around slightly and create a new class of people who feel politically disenfranchised.

[Dolphster]

I'd say this poll is worded to engineer a particular result.  

As are at least 90% of all polls on any topic.  As the old saying goes, "Follow the money."   Whoever initiated and funded any poll is who the questions will be geared towards benefitting.  That is one of the many reasons why I am always skeptical of polls and don't put too much stock in them. 

[Dave Gray]

Perhaps you have forgotten the target demographic of the war on drugs.
There is zero chance the GOP runs on legalization.  You might as well wish for them to run on "small government" in the bedroom.

Yeah, I get it, but there was a choice to make.

There was a "both parties" thing on "think of the children" type of bullshit, between censoring music to worrying about weed.  Everyone was falling over themselves in the 90s to be tough of that stupid shit.  But we're pretty much past that now, everyone realizes weed is not worth putting people in jail for and that nobody should give a shit what someone writes a rap song about.

It's just odd that the party of "don't control me, I don't want to wear a mask" is also the anti-weed party.  It just makes so little sense, ideologically.

The Dems are super dumb about it, too.  They were on the wrong side of a lot of that bullshit for a while, but are correcting some.