Can We Fire Flores Now?

[EDGECRUSHER]

This is funny. Watson didn't win any more games his last year in Texas than they did this year. He isn't Brady or Rodgers who can actually make up for bad teams. Wilson looks to be running out of gas but I guess we will see.

This is what I don't understand about the Watson love. He is a great QB, but he literally had a garbage team and won 4 games with them. Why would he save us when Tua usually isn't a problem? Did he switch to Left Tackle since he last played?

[Dave Gray]

If this team had Russell Wilson or Watson, we run away with the division.  Neither isn’t happening, but man Tua was terrible yesterday.

Tua was definitely terrible yesterday, but we aren't winning that game yesterday with other QBs either.  We have terrible drop issues and no line.

Tua was bad.  But in general, our offense is horrible and it's not him.

Tua missed some open receivers but I think it's because there is no consistency to the line and he has happy feet.  You just never know how much time you're gonna have with this line.  They just let guys in and he's always throwing on the run.  His deep ball seems fine to me.  Until the last couple of weeks, we weren't even dialing up those plays.

I mean, this week wasn't happening for us:   drops, bad QB play, terrible rip-off calls from officiating, missed FG, defense playing worse than usual...it was just all around not happening.

[fyo]

^ I don't want Watson, but Tua has had two games now where he didn't look like an NFL quarterback. That scares me.

[Dave Gray]

^ I don't want Watson, but Tua has had two games now where he didn't look like an NFL quarterback. That scares me.

The Dolphins have had 10 years where they haven't looked like an NFL team.  Seems weird to put that on Tua for 2 games.

[pondwater]

The guy that beat us yesterday is the blueprint for Tua. Everyone complained about Tannehill when he was here and about how bad he was. Do with Tua what the Titans have done with Tannehill. Sure they have different strengths and weaknesses. However, they both are well versed in the RPO. But like I've said before, the Titans use designed runs and run options for Tannehill. If Tua is going to succeed he needs to use his legs more and learn how to slide.

The Dolphins need 4 things to take the next step. Get the OL up to at minimum average. Get a upper mid level RB. Get a couple WRs to complement Waddle(not Parker or Williams). And get Tua using his legs more. Hell, I can't count how many times he's had room to run this season.

[CF DolFan]

Everyone complained about Tannehill when he was here and about how bad he was. Do with Tua what the Titans have done with Tannehill.

I've said it several times this year and I'll say it again. Put Tua in New England and you'll see how good he is. At this point he is much better than Mac Jones and they are in the playoffs. His accuracy is pretty damn good ... for the most part. Give him that o-line and watch out.

[EDGECRUSHER]

^ I don't want Watson, but Tua has had two games now where he didn't look like an NFL quarterback. That scares me.

He still has played fewer than 20 games. He has had plenty more good games than bad games. He was 1 weapon and a historically bad O-Line. Not saying he would be Brady with another receiver but this team is almost purposely trying to make him fail between his supporting cast and management trying to dump him for a guy that isn't even in the league right now.

If he sucks after 3 games next season, then I would worry.

[stinkfish]

I'd say no to firing Flores, and yes to jettisoning Grier and the two headed monster that is the OC.

[CF DolFan]

I would love to have Doug Pederson back here as OC.

[stinkfish]

This is a solid team that can win 11-12 games next year with the right coaching.

That is generous. Maybe even a little delusional. The coaches aren't on the field. If they were as good a unit as 11-12 wins they'd have played better all season.

[stinkfish]

Not attacking you Edge. I'm just...disgruntled and fed up.

[EDGECRUSHER]

That is generous. Maybe even a little delusional. The coaches aren't on the field. If they were as good a unit as 11-12 wins they'd have played better all season.

We won 10 games in 2020 with a very similar defense. We then added Javon Holland who is amazing and will probably win only 8 games with an extra game on the schedule. That's coaching. Xavien and Byron sucked for the first half for no reason. When so many players suck or young guys take a step back, that's coaching.

Even this year, we will/probably will go 8-9. Is an extra 3 wins so crazy with good coaching? Not asking for a 2008 rebound, just 3 more wins. Keep in mind, I might be more pessimistic than most people around here, routinely rooting for losses for a better draft pick. So, I don't think I'm being too much of a fanboy here. I just really have no respect for our management from top to bottom.

[stinkfish]

I suppose so.  But going with that logic, shouldn't  Flores then get all of the credit for the win streak? If that's so then he's probably worth keeping around for one more shot.

[Pappy13]

The guy that beat us yesterday is the blueprint for Tua. Everyone complained about Tannehill when he was here and about how bad he was. Do with Tua what the Titans have done with Tannehill. Sure they have different strengths and weaknesses. However, they both are well versed in the RPO. But like I've said before, the Titans use designed runs and run options for Tannehill. If Tua is going to succeed he needs to use his legs more and learn how to slide.

The Dolphins need 4 things to take the next step. Get the OL up to at minimum average. Get a upper mid level RB. Get a couple WRs to complement Waddle(not Parker or Williams). And get Tua using his legs more. Hell, I can't count how many times he's had room to run this season.

I got news for you, Tua is NOT Tannehill. Tannehill has things that Tua doesn't like a strong arm, height which allows him to see the field well and he's actually much more athletic than people give him credit for. He was a wide receiver in college for a couple years, he can run. Tua is little, quick but not fast and he has a weak arm. His strength is his accuracy, not terribly good at pushing the ball down the field. Tua is an RPO type of QB, that's not what Tannehill is. Tannehill is a drop back passer that can scramble, that's not Tua.

Having said all that, Tua is not the problem or at least he's not the only problem. Certainly giving Tua a better offensive line and the ability to run the ball will help the RPO offense, but I still think it's a flawed offense because it doesn't provide chunk plays and you need that in the NFL. If you don't have that, you don't scare defenses and they are willing to let you try to RPO yourself down the field. It works sometimes, but it doesn't provide quick scores and when you get behind you need to be able to score quickly.

[EDGECRUSHER]

I suppose so.  But going with that logic, shouldn't  Flores then get all of the credit for the win streak? If that's so then he's probably worth keeping around for one more shot.

The win streak is nice but at the end of the day, what is the difference between 8 wins with a 7 game streak and 8 wins scattered throughout the year? I will give credit for the team not completely tanking when starting 1-7, but to me the 7 game losing streak carries a lot more weight.

Just trying to remove emotion from it for a second, after 3 years at the helm, the team is going backwards and not producing a lot of stars or top talent despite tons of draft picks and cap space. Without a dramatic change, why would we do better in 2022 if we're already trending down? I just want to right the ship before another window closes. We got a lot of cheap rookie contracts but eventually those will become expensive and then we have to cut ties with some or blow it up again.