Confusing Covid link

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I am at the point that I would like to see vax as a requirement for hospital admissions.

Not vaxed, we send you to an alternate site with minimal therapeutic options.  If you don’t believe in modern medicine then you don’t belong in a 21st century hospital.  Doesn’t matter if you have covid or other problem. If you don’t trust the doctor that are all telling you that the vaccine is critical but rather are believing some whack job preacher claiming that prayer and repentance will save you than the ambulance can transport you to your church of choice when you are in a car accident.

We won’t get past this until a critical percentage of the population is vaxed.  Only two ways to increase the percentage 1. Unvaccinated get vaccinated.  2. Unvaccinated remove themselves from the population though death.  I suggest the first, but if you want to go the second route don’t jam up the medical system in the  process.

[Pappy13]

I am at the point that I would like to see vax as a requirement for hospital admissions.

I'm not sure I would go that far, but something along those lines seems doable. Perhaps there should be a triage unit in place and your vax status should be a part of the triage. Unvaxxed, there's the line...it's pretty long....vaxxed....we have an opening for you, right this way...

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I'm not sure I would go that far, but something along those lines seems doable. Perhaps there should be a triage unit in place and your vax status should be a part of the triage. Unvaxxed, there's the line...it's pretty long....vaxxed....we have an opening for you, right this way...

i would be okay with that as long as the waiting area is segregated away from others.  Don’t needed the compromise but vaccinated at risk of a breakthrough case.

[ArtieChokePhin]

I am at the point that I would like to see vax as a requirement for hospital admissions.

Two words regarding your idea of vaccine requirements for anything..... Second Amendment.

[Dave Gray]

Two words regarding your idea of vaccine requirements for anything..... Second Amendment.

What does that mean, exactly?  That you're going to kill doctors that won't treat you if they don't let you in the hospital because you're not vaxxed?

Please expand on your statement.

[ArtieChokePhin]

What does that mean, exactly?  That you're going to kill doctors that won't treat you if they don't let you in the hospital because you're not vaxxed?

Please expand on your statement.

More like should government pass such a law, a mob of angry, armed citizens will march on them.  That's what the second amendment is for.  Citizens defending themselves against a tyrannical government.

[CF DolFan]

I can tell you from personal experience, we have an employee who isn't vaccinated, he's a Jehovah Witness and says it's against his religion.  Anyway, his wife and him got Omicron and he was out for almost 3 weeks.  A couple of days he said he couldn't even move it was so bad.  His wife almost had to be hospitalized.  They are both in their early 30s.  My parents who are both vaccinated got Omicron.  My mom sounded like a pack a day smoker on the phone, but other than that it was like a flu for them, never any risk for hospitalization.  My dad has completely recovered while my mom is almost completely recovered.  They are both in their mid 70s.

I know two couples where only one is vaccinated. In both cases the unvaccinated suffered less symptoms. In one couple it was the woman who was unvaccinated and the other was the male.

If you want to get famous then die from Covid and be unvaccinated. For some reason they don't report on the unvaccinated. I can't quite figure it out.

Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that these statistics are accurate and that FL has figured out some secret miracle answer for COVID.

There is no secret formula other than quit listening to gloom and doom. If you are unvaccinated you have less than a half percent of chance of dying. If you are vaccinated it is slightly less. Thise numbers are actually dropping with the meds and treatments availble to both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Many people are dying with Covid and not from Covid.

I am at the point that I would like to see vax as a requirement for hospital admissions.

Why stop there? You should be able to deny it to fat people and smokers as well. Only healthy people with 4+ vaccinations AND that racist ID so many people talk about.

[CF DolFan]

Just saw this on CNN (Yes I read that too) in regards to how Covid restrictions have damaged states.

New York (CNN Business)
America's job market hasn't fully recovered yet. But some states are already back to normal.

In November, Texas and Arizona joined Utah and Idaho in recouping all their pandemic job losses, according to a report by ratings agency Fitch.
In comparison, California and New York were at only 70% and 60% of their pre-pandemic employment levels, respectively.
This highlights just how uneven the recovery has been. States that were more affected by the waves of the pandemic and had tighter restrictions to fight the outbreak are lagging behind in recovering from their Covid job losses.

.....

Only South Dakota was more than 100% recovered, though a few states, including Idaho, Arizona, Florida and Montana are getting close.

[Spider-Dan]

More like should government pass such a law, a mob of angry, armed citizens will march on them.  That's what the second amendment is for.  Citizens defending themselves against a tyrannical government.

Who said anything about the government?  We're talking about hospitals, which have not been nationalized under our capitalistic healthcare system (unlike, say, the UK).

It almost seems like "Second Amendment" is code for "If someone is doing something I don't like, I get to shoot them."  You're aware that defending yourself against a tyrannical government is still absolutely against the law, right?  All of the people who invaded the Capitol can invoke the Fifth Amendment in their defense, but they can't invoke the Second.

[Spider-Dan]

I know two couples where only one is vaccinated. In both cases the unvaccinated suffered less symptoms. In one couple it was the woman who was unvaccinated and the other was the male.

I know a person who drove drunk and didn't crash.
How should this shape our policy decisions?

If you want to get famous then die from Covid and be unvaccinated. For some reason they don't report on the unvaccinated.

They report on them all the time.  They have reported on thousands upon thousands of them dying daily.  I'm sure it's pretty easy to find news stories on it, but I can link some if you like.

There is no secret formula other than quit listening to gloom and doom.

So if we "quit listening to gloom and doom" then fewer unvaccinated people will die from COVID?
How would that work?

If you are unvaccinated you have less than a half percent of chance of dying.

Again, let's suppose for the sake of argument that that statistic were accurate.
There are ~330M people in the US.  About 210M are vaccinated, leaving 120M remaining.
One half of one percent of 120M would be 600,000 deaths; more than all American deaths from both World Wars combined.
And those deaths are completely unnecessary and preventable.

If you are vaccinated it is slightly less.

No, it's dramatically less.  Well over 90% of COVID deaths are the unvaccinated (I think the number fluctuates around 98%).

Many people are dying with Covid and not from Covid.

So what are they dying from, then?
We've had over 400,000 more deaths in 2020 and in 2021 (each) than in 2019.  So what's your explanation for why so many more Americans mysteriously started dying?

Again, it's bizarre that you would admonish other people for refusing to admit being wrong.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Who said anything about the government?  We're talking about hospitals, which have not been nationalized under our capitalistic healthcare system (unlike, say, the UK).

And if a hospital or any establishment did that in the state of Florida, Governor DeSantis would be all over it and start fining and then sanctioning said business.

[Spider-Dan]

Is that when the Second Amendment comes into play?

[CF DolFan]

I know a person who drove drunk and didn't crash.
How should this shape our policy decisions?
They report on them all the time.  They have reported on thousands upon thousands of them dying daily.  I'm sure it's pretty easy to find news stories on it, but I can link some if you like.
So if we "quit listening to gloom and doom" then fewer unvaccinated people will die from COVID?
How would that work?
Again, let's suppose for the sake of argument that that statistic were accurate.
There are ~330M people in the US.  About 210M are vaccinated, leaving 120M remaining.
One half of one percent of 120M would be 600,000 deaths; more than all American deaths from both World Wars combined.
And those deaths are completely unnecessary and preventable.
No, it's dramatically less.  Well over 90% of COVID deaths are the unvaccinated (I think the number fluctuates around 98%).
So what are they dying from, then?
We've had over 400,000 more deaths in 2020 and in 2021 (each) than in 2019.  So what's your explanation for why so many more Americans mysteriously started dying?

Again, it's bizarre that you would admonish other people for refusing to admit being wrong.

Your whole I knew a person thing just means you didn't read the post. I was stating the counter to his story. Trust me ... I get that we can find examples of both out there. We can even find doctors and nurses who aren't vaccinated.

Can I ask a question? If being unvaccinated is so much worse than being vaccinated then how come we all aren't dead yet? Seems to me that the progressive liberals who are locked up and refuse to eat or participate in public would have an easy time at the polls this election as all of us naysayers should be gone by then. I could die from Covid tomorrow and it wouldn't change the fact that most people are perfectly safe catching Covid.

[Spider-Dan]

Your whole I knew a person thing just means you didn't read the post. I was stating the counter to his story.

Let's not dance around the point of your anecdote, here: do you honestly believe that there is any scientific support for the idea that people who are unvaccinated will have fewer and less severe COVID symptoms than those who are vaccinated?  That is to say: do you believe being vaccinated actually makes COVID more deadly than being unvaccinated?

Can I ask a question? If being unvaccinated is so much worse than being vaccinated then how come we all aren't dead yet?

For exactly the same reason that the extremely dangerous Radical Islamic Extremists did not kill every American well before COVID arrived: a threat does not have to kill every single person to be dangerous.

I mean, COVID has already been more deadly than any war in American history, and is rapidly approaching more deaths than all of them combined.  But apparently the real threat to our country is Critical Race Theory!

[dolphins4life]

I thought DeSantis' handling of Florida was considered by the press to be perfect.  He did absolutely nothing and eventually Florida's cases plummeted.  My information could be wrong