Flores’ NFL lawsuit

[CF DolFan]

There were also allegations that Ross offered to give Flores extra pay for losses.  How could they have investigated those claims in 2 hours?
"We asked Ross and he said he didn't do it"?

Lol ... pretty much. They are going to have to do a real investigation but I don't take too much stock in anyone's intital response to the public outcry. History shows that situations are typically different than orginally percieved. Could be worse or could be less. At this point we have heard one side to a story at this point.

[masterfins]

Well .. the Rooney rule is pretty simple. Not sure how Flores can prove he wasn't interviewed. I get that it sucks but the fact teams seemed disinterested in hiring him doesn't seem to break any laws or rules.  It is an example of affirmative action, even though there is no hiring quota or hiring preference given to minorities, only an interviewing quota.

I think many of us have interviewed for jobs where the applicant was already selected but they were forced to "open" it up becuase of company rules. Sometimes you realise it during the interview but still have to stay and go through the motions.  I went through a spell a few yers ago where I had it happen three times. The postive was I made some connections that I didn't have previously.

And that's part of the reasoning behind the Rooney Rule - Teams may not hire the black person you were forced to interview, but they may come away with the feeling that the person has some good qualities that may put him/her in a position to get a DC or OC position and eventually move closer to being a HC.  Or that team may like the candidate (although they already have the guy they want) and may refer other owners to the candidate.  For the candidate it gives them experience going through the interview process and allows him/her to make connections that may be helpful in the future.

One thing I will say is that Flores shouldn't count towards satisfying a teams Rooney Rule requirement.  If a minority candidate has already been an HC then his interview really doesn't do anything towards advancing minorities because he has already held the position he is applying for.

[pondwater]

There were also allegations that Ross offered to give Flores extra pay for losses.  How could they have investigated those claims in 2 hours?
"We asked Ross and he said he didn't do it"?

I thought that the competition committee investigated the tanking for Tua rumors back in 2019. They had to have talked to Flores about it. And if so, obviously he didn't have a problem back then. The fact remains, whether it's true or not Flores went along with it. Therefore, he is as guilty as the rest of the clowns in the circus.

[Dolfanalyst]

The last three years of this team's functioning is becoming clear:  you had an organization whose priorities were at odds with the head coach's.  The organization was taking a longer-term developmental view of its talent acquisition and development, while Brian Flores was trying to win now.  That explains a good bit of what was otherwise perplexing about this team over the past couple years, most notably with regard to Tua.

[pondwater]

The last three years of this team's functioning is becoming clear:  you had an organization whose priorities were at odds with the head coach's.  The organization was taking a longer-term developmental view of its talent acquisition and development, while Brian Flores was trying to win now.  That explains a good bit of what was otherwise perplexing about this team over the past couple years, most notably with regard to Tua.

At the end of the day the team sets the priorities, not the coach. Flores should have know that discrepancy before he was hired and either declined the job or quit soon thereafter when it was apparent. This whole fiasco says more about Flores than it does about the Dolphins or NFL. Brian Flores is the epitome of lack of character and integrity.

[fyo]

We seem to have two threads going for the lawsuit, one here and one in Around the NFL.

Anyway, Hue Jackson just came out at claimed he was paid to lose games when Head Coach of the Browns. Unsurprisingly, the Browns are denying everything, but Jackson says he "can back up every word".

[Dolfanalyst]

There is no need to pay a coach to lose games.  Simply hire an interim coach you plan to fire in a year and equip him with a Josh Rosen-caliber QB and nobody better on the bench, along with 2019 Dolphins-level surrounding talent.  That team will lose even if the coach tries to win.

[pondwater]

There is no need to pay a coach to lose games.  Simply hire an interim coach you plan to fire in a year and equip him with a Josh Rosen-caliber QB and nobody better on the bench, along with 2019 Dolphins-level surrounding talent.  That team will lose even if the coach tries to win.

Well at this point, all they are is allegations. And you're paying the coach you have whether they win or lose. The 2019 team did have Rosen as starting QB.

[Spider-Dan]

There is no need to pay a coach to lose games.  Simply hire an interim coach you plan to fire in a year and equip him with a Josh Rosen-caliber QB and nobody better on the bench, along with 2019 Dolphins-level surrounding talent.  That team will lose even if the coach tries to win.

Somebody tell me: what do Jim Caldwell, Hue Jackson, Brian Flores, and David Culley have in common?

[pondwater]

Somebody tell me: what do Jim Caldwell, Hue Jackson, Brian Flores, and David Culley have in common?

The same thing as Tony Dungy, Lovie Smith, and Mike Tomlin have in common. That was easy

[CF DolFan]

We seem to have two threads going for the lawsuit, one here and one in Around the NFL.

Anyway, Hue Jackson just came out at claimed he was paid to lose games when Head Coach of the Browns. Unsurprisingly, the Browns are denying everything, but Jackson says he "can back up every word".

Hue Jackson won 1 game in 2 years which I belive is the worst run by any coach ever. He and his family must pretty much be set for life.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Hue Jackson won 1 game in 2 years which I belive is the worst run by any coach ever. He and his family must pretty much be set for life.

And now he's piggybacking on Flores and saying the Browns owner paid him to lose as well.

[Downunder Dolphan]

The suit alleges that Ross offered Flores a $100,000 bonus for every game lost in the 2019 season, the coach’s first with Miami, in an intentional effort to “tank” the season and get the overall No. 1 draft pick, and that the owner was angry when the Dolphins won enough games to only get the fifth overall pick.

Does anyone else see the irony that Ross is willing to pay over a million bucks for the Dolphins to lose games, but he won't for out enough cash to secure a decent coaching staff?  

[Fau Teixeira]

Does anyone else see the irony that Ross is willing to pay over a million bucks for the Dolphins to lose games, but he won't for out enough cash to secure a decent coaching staff? 

I don't' think that's fair .. if nothing else the dolphins have splashed cash all around .. he self-funded stadium renovations and upgrades and a new swanky training facility. Most owners get their stadiums funded by the tax payers .. he got 0 public money. He paid tons of money for all the coaches that have come in and he's paid for high priced free agents. Spending money was never Ross's problem .. his problem was hiring unsuccessful people and then not being present as an owner. He's the opposite of Jerry Jones .. he's never around.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Most owners get their stadiums funded by the tax payers .. he got 0 public money.

This is how it should be.   No taxpayer money should EVER be used to build a new stadium or even renovate an older one.   The City of Miami is getting exactly what they deserve with the whole Marlins Park fiasco.