Mike McDaniel and race/ethnicity

[phinphan]

First off, for anyone making the mistake it's McDaniel not McDaniels.  Secondly, the guy has been around football his entire life.  He started as a ball boy, then the bottom of the bottom and worked his way up from there.  For anyone who cares, he is biracial, something that completely embarrassed Deadspin as they made an entire article about how he is just another white head coaching candidate.  He graduated from Yale, so you know he's extremely smart.  Players absolutely love him, Kittle tried to get language in his contract that McDaniel could never leave (half joking I'm sure).  The thing about him not calling plays is not entirely true, there are times he calls plays and the niners have said it's more of a collaborative process then you would think.  His specialty regards the run game and everyone on the field being responsible for their blocks including WRs, something that would tailor to Tua well as it won't all be on him and maybe we can finally get a run game.  He is not a Gase or Philbin, those guys had a lot more to work with to show they were "gurus" before taking head coaching positions.  Other than him being a first year head coach, there isn't much to knock the guy on.  He was my favorite candidate after Harbaugh, so y'all should get on board, the majority of the Dolphins fan base if very excited about this hire.  One other thing, fwiw, the Cowboys fans want Moore gone, niners fans are pissed McDaniel is gone.

He seems like a real coach in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev3Gm9zhlfg&ab_channel=TheQBSchool

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/feb/06/miami-dolphins-hire-49ers-mike-mcdaniel-as-new-head-coach

The 38-year-old McDaniel did not play football at any significant level and studied history at Yale before interning at the Denver Broncos. He slowly worked his way up the NFL ladder, becoming the 49ers’ offensive coordinator in January 2021.

I am not sold on how great he is. He turned one player into a running back and does not call the plays. Once again, the Dolphins never disappoint at disappointing. I hope I am wrong, but I said the same thing about Tua. Ross should be forced to sell the team period. What kind of owner refuses to get the best man available for the job because he is at his college? Hopefully the charges of tampering force him to sell.
Another thing, McDaniel looks whiter than me, the fact that we are considered as having a black coach now is a joke and a slap to black people everywhere and his dad should be asking some real tuff questions of his mom. This I identify as crap is getting out of hand. You are what you are just like it is what it is! Not to mention because he identifies as black the niners get two picks as compensation.
https://ninernoise.com/2022/02/07/49ers-mike-mcdaniel-dolphins-draft-picks/

[Spider-Dan]

Another thing, McDaniel looks whiter than me, the fact that we are considered as having a black coach now is a joke and a slap to black people everywhere and his dad should be asking some real tuff questions of his mom. This I identify as crap is getting out of hand. You are what you are just like it is what it is!

This is Halsey.  She's a singer.  Maybe you've heard of her.





Does Halsey look black to you?
Because here are some pictures of Halsey with her father, when she was younger:




It's generally a bad idea to look at people and try to tell them what their ethnicity is.  Does it really even matter to us, as fans, what ethnicity box Mike McDaniel prefers to check?  There's plenty of room to criticize him on other things.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Another thing, McDaniel looks whiter than me, the fact that we are considered as having a black coach now is a joke and a slap to black people everywhere and his dad should be asking some real tuff questions of his mom. This I identify as crap is getting out of hand. You are what you are just like it is what it is! Not to mention because he identifies as black the niners get two picks as compensation.
https://ninernoise.com/2022/02/07/49ers-mike-mcdaniel-dolphins-draft-picks/

Under the Jim Crow laws he would have been considered a negro. He would be required to sit in the back of the bus, banned form lunch counters, not allowed to play professional sports, denied admission to colleges, not be allowed to live in white neighborhoods, etc.

Granted he might have been able to sneak to the front of the bus or into a white bathroom but if caught he would have been arrested.

 As the purpose of affirmative action, rooney rule etc is to counteract the legacy of segregation I see no reason not to extend the protection of aa and the rooney rule to anyone who would have been disadvantaged by segregation.

[pondwater]

It's generally a bad idea to look at people and try to tell them what their ethnicity is.  Does it really even matter to us, as fans, what ethnicity box Mike McDaniel prefers to check?  There's plenty of room to criticize him on other things.

He can check any box he wants. However, you don't get to choose your ethnicity. You are what you are and McDaniel is biracial.

Under the Jim Crow laws he would have been considered a negro. He would be required to sit in the back of the bus, banned form lunch counters, not allowed to play professional sports, denied admission to colleges, not be allowed to live in white neighborhoods, etc.

Granted he might have been able to sneak to the front of the bus or into a white bathroom but if caught he would have been arrested.

 As the purpose of affirmative action, rooney rule etc is to counteract the legacy of segregation I see no reason not to extend the protection of aa and the rooney rule to anyone who would have been disadvantaged by segregation.

Do you still live in the 60s? Do you support Jim Crow laws in 2022? Unless your answer to those questions is no, Mcdaniel is biracial. Otherwise your post is that of a bigot.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

He can check any box he wants. However, you don't get to choose your ethnicity. You are what you are and McDaniel is biracial.
Do you still live in the 60s? Do you support Jim Crow laws in 2022? Unless your answer to those questions is no, Mcdaniel is biracial. Otherwise your post is that of a bigot.

He is not choosing his ethnicity.  He is multiracial. It is phinphan that is trying to assign him the ethnicity of white.  Multiracial is correctly consider minority under the Rooney rule.

[pondwater]

He is not choosing his ethnicity.  He is multiracial. It is phinphan that is trying to assign him the ethnicity of white.  Multiracial is correctly consider minority under the Rooney rule.

What I took from his post is that he didn't consider McDaniel black. And he isn't black. And the fact that any team gets any compensation for hiring anyone who isn't white is just racism looking for justification.

[phinphan]

What I took from his post is that he didn't consider McDaniel black. And he isn't black. And the fact that any team gets any compensation for hiring anyone who isn't white is just racism looking for justification.

You got it.

[phinphan]

This is Halsey.  She's a singer.  Maybe you've heard of her.





Does Halsey look black to you?
Because here are some pictures of Halsey with her father, when she was younger:




It's generally a bad idea to look at people and try to tell them what their ethnicity is.  Does it really even matter to us, as fans, what ethnicity box Mike McDaniel prefers to check?  There's plenty of room to criticize him on other things.

No I have not heard of her but it is perhaps another dad that needs a conversation with the mama. It is quite funny how the real point of my post was McDaniels was not qualified to be the coach, yet you people jumped on the comment that a white guy did not look black. Mayhap Flores is correct about racism even in the fan base. I wonder if Flores thinks we hired a black coach to replace him. I would guess not. I do however remember why I quit coming to this place it makes me cry. Just a bunch of pretentious stuck up people sniffing their farts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTpgqqLyAs8

[Fau Teixeira]

Do you still live in the 60s? Do you support Jim Crow laws in 2022? Unless your answer to those questions is no, Mcdaniel is biracial. Otherwise your post is that of a bigot.

I don't believe he's the base of the republican party .. so i doubt he supports jim crow laws in 2022.

[pondwater]

I don't believe he's the base of the republican party .. so i doubt he supports jim crow laws in 2022.

People who say that biracial/multiracial people are black are racist. Biracial people are biracial people. Obama and Kamala Harris are not black.

[pondwater]

Mayhap Flores is correct about racism even in the fan base. I wonder if Flores thinks we hired a black coach to replace him. I would guess not.

No, Flores is nothing but a race baiting opportunist. Now he's complaining that the Texans hired Lovie Smith instead of him. The Texans did nothing wrong by not hiring Flores. The Giants did nothing wrong by not hiring Flores.

Maybe, just maybe, nobody, wants him as a head coach because he isn't very good and has a problem dealing with other people. I'm sure teams in the league saw the mistake the Jets made by hiring Gase after he failed in Miami. And Flores is no better of a head coach than Gase was. They're both clowns.

[pondwater]

There is no lawsuit if he was fired after the Jaguars game or the following week when we dropped to 1-7. Almost no coach survives going 1-7 in their 3rd year. If Ross had common sense, he would've done this and saved himself some trouble.

I don't see where the trouble is? The Giants, Dolphins, and Broncos are listed in his lawsuit. Even if the Giants and Broncos gave him "sham" interviews minority coaching candidates.

WTF do the Dolphins have to do with any of that or racial discrimination? They actually hired him. They actually have a black GM. They actually just hired a biracial coach to replace him. He was fired because of his shitty temperament and because his record after 3 years was basically the same as the previous coach we fired.

[Dave Gray]

I don't think that any of the race stuff will stick to the Dolphins.  He's just putting everything into the suit to see what sticks.  I think that Flores' claim is that the badmouthing the team did after he was fired was to perpetrate an "angry black man" stereotype which has harmed Flores' ability to get new employment.

I am not saying that's true but I believe that's the claim against Miami.  I am not sure it's with merit and even if it is, would be very hard to prove.

Miami fucked up by leaking stories to whoever they did -- not even sure who did.  That was bad form and they should've just let him go and shut their mouths about it, but I'm guessing they were trying to look good in the eyes of the media and fanbase to save face.  If you recall, the national narrative was that Miami was crazy to let go of Flores because he was turning the team around.  It was bullshit, but it was all over ESPN and a lot of fans believed it.

[pondwater]

I don't think that any of the race stuff will stick to the Dolphins.  He's just putting everything into the suit to see what sticks.  I think that Flores' claim is that the badmouthing the team did after he was fired was to perpetrate an "angry black man" stereotype which has harmed Flores' ability to get new employment.

I am not saying that's true but I believe that's the claim against Miami.  I am not sure it's with merit and even if it is, would be very hard to prove.

Miami fucked up by leaking stories to whoever they did -- not even sure who did.  That was bad form and they should've just let him go and shut their mouths about it, but I'm guessing they were trying to look good in the eyes of the media and fanbase to save face.  If you recall, the national narrative was that Miami was crazy to let go of Flores because he was turning the team around.  It was bullshit, but it was all over ESPN and a lot of fans believed it.

I don't recall the Dolphins having a press conference about an "angry black man". If there were anonymous people talking behind the scenes it's just rumors. Hell, most of the time it's the beat reporters embellishing or outright making shit up. It happens everyday in the NFL.

And by the way, he's not helping his case for not being the "angry black man" by throwing everyone under the bus that doesn't or didn't want his services as a head coach.

[Spider-Dan]

He can check any box he wants. However, you don't get to choose your ethnicity. You are what you are and McDaniel is biracial.

There are virtually no 100% black people anywhere in America, so this is a rather silly nitpick.  You're essentially arguing that black Americans don't really exist.

I mean, does Brian Flores even qualify as "black" in your world?

What I took from his post is that he didn't consider McDaniel black. And he isn't black. And the fact that any team gets any compensation for hiring anyone who isn't white is just racism looking for justification.

Your actual issue here is the existence of the Rooney Rule itself, not whether it applies to "black" coaches or "multiracial" coaches.  So you should stop trying to smokescreen the issue with nitpicking over "black" vs. "multiracial," especially since which term we use does not affect your particular position either way.

Whether you agree with the Rooney Rule or not, if Mike McDaniel has black grandparents, then he's a black "multiracial" man, regardless of what we think about his looks.