Flores Addresses His Relationship with Tua

[pondwater]

Flores Addresses His Relationship with Tua. Someone in the mix isn't being totally honest. Maybe Tua will shed light on the topic. However, even if he did I don't think he would throw Flores under the bus with public comments. Or maybe he would pull a Belichick and say as little as possible.

Edit #2 - although Dave already posted the correct link, OCD made me fix it LOL...


Edited by Dave:  Here is the correct link - https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/former-dolphins-head-coach-brian-flores-addresses-his-relationship-with-qb-tua-tagovailoa

[EDGECRUSHER]

Was this the right link? I didn't see anything about Flores.

[Dave Gray]

I added the correct link to the original post.

[Dave Gray]

This isn't really how relationships work -- you might just not vibe with someone but also not have a specific problem, certainly not something you can point to in interviews.

There's this one dude I know...I just don't like his vibe -- there's something about him that turns me off and I felt it from the moment I met the guy.  He's got some characteristics that just red-flag me.  But he wouldn't know I thought this of him in 100 years.  And I certainly wouldn't voice it out since the guy didn't do anything wrong.  We just aren't on the same wavelength.

[pondwater]

This isn't really how relationships work -- you might just not vibe with someone but also not have a specific problem, certainly not something you can point to in interviews.

There's this one dude I know...I just don't like his vibe -- there's something about him that turns me off and I felt it from the moment I met the guy.  He's got some characteristics that just red-flag me.  But he wouldn't know I thought this of him in 100 years.  And I certainly wouldn't voice it out since the guy didn't do anything wrong.  We just aren't on the same wavelength.

I get your point to an extent. But how do you think that relates to Tua and Flores?

[Dave Gray]

^ What I mean is that it's entirely possible that Flores thought Tua was a no talent hack or an idiot, but Tua never specifically did anything wrong to earn that criticism publicly.

Or that Tua thought he was being misused by Flores or that Flores didn't know what he was doing or whatever.  Maybe they just didn't respect each other's skills.

But that it's reasonable to think that they never specifically said those words, so on paper, their relationship was fine.  There's no point for either of them to go in there slinging mud after the fact, if it were true.

Basically, up until Flo was fired, both guys thought they needed to maintain a professional environment and work with each other.  Now that Flo is gone, it doesn't really matter, so just move on, save face, wish the other guy the best.  I'm not sure that you can take this statement at face value to mean anything.

[CF DolFan]

I don't think anyone who has been watching the Dolphins since Tua got here belives Flores. Flores may "think" that but their relationship was severely strained at best.

[pondwater]

^ What I mean is that it's entirely possible that Flores thought Tua was a no talent hack or an idiot, but Tua never specifically did anything wrong to earn that criticism publicly.

Or that Tua thought he was being misused by Flores or that Flores didn't know what he was doing or whatever.  Maybe they just didn't respect each other's skills.

But that it's reasonable to think that they never specifically said those words, so on paper, their relationship was fine.  There's no point for either of them to go in there slinging mud after the fact, if it were true.

Basically, up until Flo was fired, both guys thought they needed to maintain a professional environment and work with each other.  Now that Flo is gone, it doesn't really matter, so just move on, save face, wish the other guy the best.  I'm not sure that you can take this statement at face value to mean anything.

I kind of think there was more to it behind the scenes.

[pondwater]

I don't think anyone who has been watching the Dolphins since Tua got here belives Flores. Flores may "think" that but their relationship was severely strained at best.

For me it's the timing of everything that Flores has done. He wanted the Giants job, he doesn’t get it, and then sues everyone and throws the Dolphins under the bus. When in reality the Dolphins have nothing to do with it. Why did he wait until he didn’t get the Giants job to tell everyone about the Dolphins? Hell, he’s known about it for years!

And then no one hires him because everyone sees how toxic he is and then sues the Texans because he thinks he’s a better coach than Lovia Smith. Why? Because he’s arrogant. A couple of weeks later he comes out with this statement about his relationship with Tua. Of course Tua probably isn't gonna to push back.

He’s an arrogant asshole that’s now trying to paint himself as a victim. His ego and failure to build relationships with players and other coaches was his downfall. He’s not willing to take responsibility for his own actions and is blaming literally everyone else.

[CF DolFan]

He’s an arrogant asshole that’s now trying to paint himself as a victim. His ego and failure to build relationships with players and other coaches was his downfall. He’s not willing to take responsibility for his own actions and is blaming literally everyone else.

Not saying Ross is innocent or anything but I do believe you are correct. Everything he has done since being fired supports the Dolphins' reasons for firing him.

[Dolfanalyst]

The problem with the Flores situation was that it was set up for failure from the beginning.  Anytime an organization is trying to lose and a first-time head coach is trying to establish a reputation and a successful career by winning, the situation will be rife for inherent conflict.  If Ross wanted to lose in 2019 he should've promoted someone from Gase's staff as a one-year interim head coach and equipped him with a poor QB and surrounding talent.  Don't hire a coordinator from the most successful team in the league for the past two decades and equip him with a QB (Fitzpatrick) who's had flashes of success in the league and has the ability to win.

[CF DolFan]

The problem with the Flores situation was that it was set up for failure from the beginning.  Anytime an organization is trying to lose and a first-time head coach is trying to establish a reputation and a successful career by winning, the situation will be rife for inherent conflict.  If Ross wanted to lose in 2019 he should've promoted someone from Gase's staff as a one-year interim head coach and equipped him with a poor QB and surrounding talent.  Don't hire a coordinator from the most successful team in the league for the past two decades and equip him with a QB (Fitzpatrick) who's had flashes of success in the league and has the ability to win.

Or you could just play the guy you gave up a SECOND round pick for. We gave him like 3 games. No legitimate QB option ... like a second rounder ... only gets a few games to prove their self. The coach was being difficult with his "I've seen enough" approach. Not that he was wrong but he could have helped himself and the team by having their choice of QB.

[Dolfanalyst]

Or you could just play the guy you gave up a SECOND round pick for. We gave him like 3 games. No legitimate QB option ... like a second rounder ... only gets a few games to prove their self. The coach was being difficult with his "I've seen enough" approach. Not that he was wrong but he could have helped himself and the team by having their choice of QB.

Again you have an inherent conflict there.  Clearly Rosen is one of the worst high first-round draft picks at QB in history.  The Cardinals gave up on him after only a year when they could've used the top overall pick to support him with another key player (a left tackle or receiver for example).  He posted some of the worst passing statistics in history for a rookie QB.  His passer rating for the Dolphins after four-plus games in 2019 was a mere 52.

If you want to lose, certainly you continue to use Rosen.  But if the head coach wants to win -- and he did -- and he continues to use Rosen when he has Ryan Fitzpatrick available, then he looks like a fool.  A guy trying to build a reputation and a successful career as a head coach in the league isn't going to let himself look like a fool if he can help it.  And if he has Fitzpatrick on the bench and available, he can help it.

[CF DolFan]

If you want to lose, certainly you continue to use Rosen.  But if the head coach wants to win -- and he did -- and he continues to use Rosen when he has Ryan Fitzpatrick available, then he looks like a fool.  A guy trying to build a reputation and a successful career as a head coach in the league isn't going to let himself look like a fool if he can help it.  And if he has Fitzpatrick on the bench and available, he can help it.

I disagree. There is no way he comes off looking like a fool by playing Rosen over Fitz or not winning. First off we were building for the future and we all know Fitz isn't that guy. He's an interesting back-up if needed.

Secondly we desmantled this team one week before the season and continued to do so for weeks after starting. No one was expecting us to win and in fact many of the talking heads worried for the safety of our players becuase they supposedly were practice squad players.

[Fau Teixeira]

Again, the owner and GM had a strategy to rack up draft picks and get a franchise QB with the top pick in the draft. Flores decided he knew better .. they gave him 2 more years after that to prove it and he failed to make the playoffs in those 2 years, meanwhile the guy he literally gave up (because he knew better) took a team to the superbowl.

What more needs to be said here?