Russia's invasion of Ukraine

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There's a war going on and all you dipshits want to talk about its Donald Trump.  

*Any major event* "How is this pro/anti Trump?"

Pathetic.

[Dave Gray]

I'm pretty proud of our response, as the US, but also the world response.  I still think we can do more with sanctions and stuff.  I hope everyone in the world clamps down on them.

We'll take a financial hit for it, but I think this is the kind of thing worth fighting for -- the democracy of a free state is good for them, good for us, good for the world -- you can't just let them get bowled over to a dictator.

[Spider-Dan]

There's a war going on and all you dipshits want to talk about its Donald Trump.  

*Any major event* "How is this pro/anti Trump?"

Pathetic.

The first two posters in this thread barely even mentioned Trump, but naturally, y'all skip past pages of commentary and laser focus in on any mention of Dear Leader's name.

So as usual, it's the conservatives here that jumped in to defend Trump's honor and insist that He Would Have Prevented This War.  Similarly, you yourself have nothing at all to say about the war; the only comment you have is to criticize us for badmouthing your leader.

If you want to talk about the war, then talk about it.  (It's literally the topic of this thread!)  Or you can withhold commentary altogether!  But no one is forcing you to jump in and simp for Trump.

[Dave Gray]

Also, Trump made himself relevant, here.  Russia invades another country, against the good of the whole world and Trump makes it a point to praise Putin.  I mean...that's not an accident.  A former President praising a dictator invading an ally is so completely fucking bonkers that I don't know where we are anymore, but whatever.


Anyway, on to the topic of Ukraine, I do think it's hopeful how in lockstep pretty much all of the world is regarding this being a shitty move and that there have to be consequences.  But I do think that Russia will prevail militarily and I don't see them backing off.  He had to know this was coming and he can settle in.  He's lying to his own people and can control the narrative, so it'll be hard to break through that and turn the majority of his people (and those with money and power) against him.

He really just needs to be wiped out.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

LMAO ... it's over. It doesn't seem like you've been paying attention to news outsdie of watching the View but a non partisan investigation has shown that Clinton people manuafctured what little evivence they pretended to have. The Rusian link, collusion, or whatever was faked. HAHAHA.

And Trump only said calling Putin's justification for sending troops into Ukrainian territory "savvy" and "genius."

Hegseth said on the Fox show "Jesse Watters Primetime:" "Here's the reality, Vladimir Putin lives rent-free in the minds of our media, of the American media. No organism, no entity has done more to spread Russian propaganda and to prop up the strawman that is Vladimir Putin than our very own media."

"And Donald Trump was happy to troll them on it, as he continues to do to this moment," Hegseth continued. "Because they can't resist it, and they'll obsess over it."

LOL ... this thread certainly proves that. It's pretty shitty what Putin is doing and we are allowing it but somehow Trump is more of a topic. Seems like logic would eventually win over a few of you.

That is not even close to true.  The actual allegation is that most of  the people who provided the information about the Trump - Russian connection supported Clinton and opposed Trump.  Which is about as shocking as finding out that most of the people who provided information to Ken Starr didn't like Bill Clinton.  But your right wing spin sources spun it for you.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Second, it almost sounds like you believe that Trump wouldn't support a Russian invasion of Ukraine if he were still in the White House.  But this can't be true, because if it were, that would mean that Trump understands that the Russian invasion is against America's best interest, but is cynically rooting for it just because he thinks it makes Biden look bad.

In effect, what you are saying is the equivalent of one of us on the left openly admitting that we were only against the white nationalists at Charlottesville because we thought it would hurt Trump, but if Hillary had won we would have been cheering them on.  It's a pretty clownish thing to say.

A better analogy would be if Al Gore on September 12, issued a statement praising OBL, claiming the attacks would not have happened on his watch and stating that this proves Bush is a weak ineffective leader. 

[CF DolFan]

Us and Europe are still payng the Russian govornement over 1 billion dollars a day for fuel while we are putting sanctions that criple their citizens. Seems like there has to be a better way. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Us and Europe are still payng the Russian govornement over 1 billion dollars a day for fuel while we are putting sanctions that criple their citizens. Seems like there has to be a better way. 

Long term there is a much better way….short term not so much.

The PENTAGON for decades has been calling on the US to increase our renewable (solar, wind, hydro etc.) to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources.  But republicans have blocked this because as much as they claim to be pro-military they are more strongly anti-environment than anything else.

[Spider-Dan]

I have been screaming into this megahorn since 2008: switching to renewables (primarily solar and wind) and electric vehicles is not only good for the environment, it also reduces the amount of money we send off to reprehensible foreign dictatorships and helps preserve our oil resources (for durable goods like plastics) so that those guys use up their oil first.

But those libs aren't going to own themselves!  So instead, we drill and run through our own oil, while still allowing people like Putin and the Saudis to hold us hostage with oil prices.

[Dave Gray]

In better news, I'm getting solar panels!

[CF DolFan]

In better news, I'm getting solar panels!

I thought I would when we bought our new house but it isn't worth it. My new electric company is a co-op so it's really inexpensive comparatively speaking. I was looking to do the whole shingle thing.  

[Dave Gray]

I do not envy the decisions that Biden has to make.  Everything has huge downsides and you just don't know what Putin could do.

I completely understand just wanting to send UN jets in to destroy that entire convoy.  But that could start WW3.
I completely understand wanting to avoid WW3 by staying out of it, but then you could watch a democratic nation get slaughtered by a tyrant.

The middle ground of providing support plus financial pain is understandable too...but that could last a really long, long time.

Putin could be a crazy person.  We just don't know how far he could go.

I even feel sorry for the Russian soldiers.  They don't seem to know what the hell is going on, either.  My god...what a shitfest.  You just can't afford to have huge countries with a nuclear arsenal controlled by a single man ad infinitum.

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As one of his biggest critics, there really isn't much Biden can do about this other than sanctions.

[Spider-Dan]

I completely understand just wanting to send UN jets in to destroy that entire convoy.  But that could start WW3.
I completely understand wanting to avoid WW3 by staying out of it, but then you could watch a democratic nation get slaughtered by a tyrant.

If WW3 starts, one of the first nations to get slaughtered will be Ukraine.

You don't take direct action against Russian assets in Ukraine, period.

[Downunder Dolphan]

And coming from a guy whose country will go on lockdown when there is one positive COVID case, I'm not surprised. 

It doesn't seem like you've been paying attention to news outsdie of watching the View

Making up complete bullshit like this to personally attack someone on the forum doesn't help you with your your argument.