Russia's invasion of Ukraine

[Dave Gray]

Had Biden not put the brakes on American oil production, we wouldn't be hurting

Bullshit.  Where do you come up with this shit?

[ArtieChokePhin]

Had Biden not put the brakes on American oil production, we wouldn't be hurting

Bullshit.  Where do you come up with this shit?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/biden-suspends-oil-and-gas-drilling-in-series-of.html

Enough said.

[Dave Gray]

Those pipelines may make a difference in the future but that was for new drilling that wouldn't take effect for years.  It's completely unrelated to anything you're experiencing now, which was set in motion pre-COVID (during Trump, though not Trump's fault) and will get worse due to the Russia boycott.

[Spider-Dan]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/biden-suspends-oil-and-gas-drilling-in-series-of.html

Enough said.

Direct quote:

Biden’s orders direct the secretary of the Interior Department to halt new oil and natural gas leases on public lands and waters, and begin a thorough review of existing permits for fossil fuel development.

Furthermore:

The U.S. currently has more than 9,000 unused oil and gas leases, although making use of those leases would not immediately start oil flowing from them. The number of American oil rigs has more than doubled since July 2020, from 172 to 519 as of last week. The number remains significantly below the 800 rigs recorded in 2019, however.

So it turns out that the number of American oil rigs was cut from 800 in 2019 to only 172 in July of 2020.  If only we could figure out who was president then...

[CF DolFan]

Direct quote:

The U.S. currently has more than 9,000 unused oil and gas leases, although making use of those leases would not immediately start oil flowing from them. The number of American oil rigs has more than doubled since July 2020, from 172 to 519 as of last week. The number remains significantly below the 800 rigs recorded in 2019, however.

So it turns out that the number of American oil rigs was cut from 800 in 2019 to only 172 in July of 2020.  If only we could figure out who was president then...

They have leases on land that doesn't have oil and they have leases on land where they can't get drilling permits. It's a semantic argument from the left but you can belive it if you want to. If you actually care to look you will see it is BS political fodder and absolute lies.

[Dave Gray]

The argument from the left is that drilling for more oil here isn't smart -- it isn't a good idea to waste our reserves to drive cars.  We need to use less for cars, and then use our reserves for products, like rubber and things like that.

Our whole strategy is different than the right.  Our energy dependence needs to be a longer-term solution that just to use our own reserves.  We need to get away from it, in general.

Either way, though -- whether we're talking about Biden not drilling or Trump not embracing wind and solar...none of this stuff would be affecting this gas crisis.  It started in 2020, with a production war overseas.  The Biden/Trump solutions or lack of solutions are something we should be talking about in 10 years.

[ArtieChokePhin]

The argument from the left is that drilling for more oil here isn't smart -- it isn't a good idea to waste our reserves to drive cars.  We need to use less for cars, and then use our reserves for products, like rubber and things like that.

By the time our reserves are depleted, our kids will be long dead.

[Spider-Dan]

They have leases on land that doesn't have oil and they have leases on land where they can't get drilling permits.

Please provide sources for this claim.

[Dave Gray]

By the time our reserves are depleted, our kids will be long dead.

Yeah?  The world exists longer than our kids do.  It's not like you can just pillage everything and leave shit for the rest of eternity.

It's also a band-aid....and a dumb one.  We need to get away from the use of this stuff anyway, so it makes sense to do those things sooner than later.

[Spider-Dan]

"By the time dumping this industrial waste into Lake Michigan ends our ability to fish in it, my kids will be long dead"

[Dave Gray]

Bombing children's hospitals and maternity wards today.

At what point is it just ridding the Earth of scum to make the world a better place, treaties or not?  Nobody but a handful of assholes is better off from what's happening now, including the Russian people.

I saw today that the British claim that Putin will pay for his war crimes.  How, exactly?  He's 70 and rich.  Short of dragging him out of there and killing him, what can anyone do?

[pondwater]

"By the time dumping this industrial waste into Lake Michigan ends our ability to fish in it, my kids will be long dead"

"By the time printing all this money into circulation makes it worthless, my kids probably won't be dead."

[CF DolFan]

If our govornment wasn't controlling our oil issue then the electric car guy wouldn't be trying to get them to "drill baby, drill". Elon Musk is on record as saying it hurts his business but we need to increase our production of oil.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Compare for a moment....

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/09/world/ukrainian-refugee-aid-poland-border-trnd/index.html

with

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/us/arizona-aid-volunteers-guilty-trespassing-trnd/index.html

[Spider-Dan]

"By the time printing all this money into circulation makes it worthless, my kids probably won't be dead."

This would be a sick burn if the "let's stop printing money" people weren't also the "let's just stop paying our debts instead" people.

Back in 2008, the last time gas prices were this high, there was a concerted effort to move towards EVs and away from gas guzzlers.  But the moment gas prices dropped, all that was forgotten.  Maybe this time, America will decide that perhaps relying on foreign despots for our energy needs is a bad idea.