Florida’s “don’t say heterosexual” law.

[Dave Gray]

Also -- this isn't sexuality.

Some kids are gonna have two dads in their family structure.  That is a fact.  Nobody is describing their anal.

When you tell a kid what's someone's wife is, details of how they fuck isn't part of it.  But to allow a teacher to mention a wife of a man, but not a husband -- that's real bad, man.  Bad for kids.  And it's not saving anyone from anything.

[ArtieChokePhin]

It's not about teaching them sexuality.  Nobody is teaching 1st graders about gay sex.  

But there are realities about the world -- you just used the word "wife" casually.  What is a wife?  What is marriage?  Why are some people Mrs. and some Ms.?

It is a reality that some families have two moms.  To deny a teacher's ability to discuss that is hampering and ultimately will be damaging.  And really, what it will do is cause kids to be outcast that have those realities.  It's a shame.

It's not the teacher's responsibility to discuss that.   Only to stop bullying.   If parents want to discuss that with their children, it's fine.   It should be left up to the parents, not the public school system.

[Spider-Dan]

It's not the teacher's ability to discuss that.   Only to stop bullying.   If parents want to discuss that with their children, it's fine.   It should be left up to the parents, not the public school system.

Y'all claim that... but this entire thread shows otherwise.  When Hoodie posts a letter from a teacher saying that, as per this law, they will not be referring to husbands or wives, nor using any gender-specific title, suddenly liberals are using semantics to read more into the law than there is.

You are perfectly fine with 2nd graders referring to Mr. So-and-so or Miss Whoever.
You are perfectly fine with 2nd graders learning about George Washington and his wife Martha, and at no time do you infer that learning about them involves their teacher explaining how they had sex.
You are NOT fine with 2nd graders hearing anything about two men who are married to each other, and insist that any discussion of such is inherently sexual grooming.

The only kind of indoctrination you want to see at schools is heterosexual cisgender indoctrination.  You know, normal stuff.  It's only those deviant alternative lifestyles that you want to protect children from.

[Spider-Dan]

Here is a relevant example of the types of experiences that we will see going forward as the GOP continues with the demonization of LGBT Americans.  Remember this when conservatives insist that Drag Queen Story Hour is the real danger:

Well that didn't take long. We decided to take a trip on Amtrak with the kids for spring break. 9 hours into a pleasant ride, a man was suddenly standing next to me, shouting across me at my 6yo son, "Remember what I told you. They stole you. They're pedophiles."

I stood between the stranger and my son, whose life has already been so hard, who carries traumas larger than his whole small, fierce frame. I was immovable. "Get away from my family." [2/10]

"Family!? That's not a family! You're rapists. You steal black & Asian kids." My son and my 5yo daughter were both now openly crying, petrified. He yelled right at them, unmoved: "These guys aren't natural. Homosexuals are an abomination. They steal and rape kids." [3/10]

It was suddenly no longer an absurd, abstract attack in an online comments section or a distant legislative session. These horrors were being screamed @ my sweet bewildered son, who's worked so hard to process his grief & control his feelings, who only wants love & safety. [4/10]

I grabbed the kids and moved them to another car while my ferocious husband went into papa bear mode and shouted the man away from us. Eventually the conductor arrived and the man lost his focus on us. [5/10]

The kids cried for almost an hour. We got cookies & processed their emotions while the train waited at a stop for the police. They wanted to be away from windows so they wouldn't see him again. They wanted to practice screaming loud enough for help to come. I want to scream too.

This man was clearly angry at an unjust world; we have that in common. He's clearly not receiving the resources he needs. We've dealt with this brand of terrifying homophobic stranger before with our son. But "pedophiles" and "rapists" were new in the mix, at least out loud. 7/10

We all know where that comes from. So thanks to Fox & Murdoch, JK Rowling & Marjorie Taylor Green, to the senators & priests & everyone else who harms kids & thinks it's politically expedient to project onto gentle families like mine to stir up their lucrative culture war. [8/10]

I asked my son if he'd seen the man before. He said the man had confronted him when we let him go to the bathroom alone, which he'd been so proud to do @ 1st but too afraid to do again after. Yet *we're* the groomers.  I'm livid & ashamed that I didn't notice something was up.

They're asleep now. They asked if we'll see that man again & I said probably not him, but men just like him. But we'll be stronger each time. And most people aren't like that guy. I hope this was true. Please help us protect our families, friends. We feel so outnumbered & tired

To be clear, as much as we need people standing up for us in such moments of confrontation, we need allies to shut down this rhetoric everywhere it rears its ugly head anywhere, especially when we're not there. Don't vote for them or support their art or avoid confrontation.

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Remember, everyone: when conservatives are called racists or homophobes, that is incredibly unfair Cancel Culture and our rights of Free Speech are being assaulted.  But none of the Free Speech Warriors on the right will ever have anything to say about THIS kind of cancellation.  Because it's the kind that's been going on for decades.  It's the kind they like.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Hey Florida say good bye to your air force bases. 

https://www.spaceforce.mil/News/Article/2977004/resources-available-for-daf-members-families-affected-by-local-laws/

Airforce has announced they will move families if to another state if the local public schools enact homophobic policies.  Once the transfers begin it won’t be long before the air force decides they need to move the function to bases where all can serve and close the bases in Florida.

Airforce tends to lead the way on things like this Navy/Coast Guard next, then Army with the Marines last. 

[Tenshot13]

Hey Florida say good bye to your air force bases. 

https://www.spaceforce.mil/News/Article/2977004/resources-available-for-daf-members-families-affected-by-local-laws/

Airforce has announced they will move families if to another state if the local public schools enact homophobic policies.  Once the transfers begin it won’t be long before the air force decides they need to move the function to bases where all can serve and close the bases in Florida.

Airforce tends to lead the way on things like this Navy/Coast Guard next, then Army with the Marines last. 

You are so full of shit.  There is nothing in that link that says any bases are closing in Florida.  What a huge leap.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

They aren't closing any bases tommorow.  But they are giving airmen who are affected the option of not serving in Florida.  Once the number of airmen requesting non-assignment of Florida beings to affect combat readiness bases will closed and units transfered. So not today, not this year, but this decade.

[Tenshot13]

They aren't closing any bases tommorow.  But they are giving airmen who are affected the option of not serving in Florida.  Once the number of airmen requesting non-assignment of Florida beings to affect combat readiness bases will closed and units transfered. So not today, not this year, but this decade.

They aren't closing the bases ever because of this.  The airmen that leave are going to incredibly minimal.  The things you say are so clownish, it's like you don't live in the real world.  In fact, I'm 100% sure you say nothing in good faith here.

[Phishfan]

They aren't closing any bases tommorow.  But they are giving airmen who are affected the option of not serving in Florida.  Once the number of airmen requesting non-assignment of Florida beings to affect combat readiness bases will closed and units transfered. So not today, not this year, but this decade.

It doesn't even say that. Did you read it in detail?

[ArtieChokePhin]

They aren't closing the bases ever because of this.  The airmen that leave are going to incredibly minimal.  The things you say are so clownish, it's like you don't live in the real world.  In fact, I'm 100% sure you say nothing in good faith here.

That's what liberals do.  It looks like modern liberal ideology will be the inevitable death of the U.S.  Enjoy the feelings brigade while it lasts. Our ancestors bled for this bullshit 80 years ago in Europe and the Far East.  Thank God that total war effort gave liberal Generation Xers and Millennials the freedom and comfort to come up with such clownish shit.

I don’t have enough adjectives to describe these snowflakes.  Liberals like to get their fingers dirty and meddle in everything when it has nothing to do with them.   Why the fuck would a Massachusetts liberal give a shit about laws in Florida other than to support his/her own agenda??  

Give me a gavel and I’ll order to them make good on their threats back in 2016.   I'll set them up on a one way cruise overseas, slap the expenses on the tax docket and have them go literally anywhere BUT here.  Maybe I'll be nice and throw in a Starbucks vendor on the ship to encourage a few more of them to climb aboard.

[Phishfan]

Lighten up, Francis

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Do you identify as right handed or do you identify as left handed?

In 1910 ~3% of the population identified as left handed.  But in 1910  there was strong anti-left handed bias.  It was the devil’s hand.  Kids who wrote left handed had their knuckles hit with a ruler and told to write with their right hand.  Then society shifted and left handedness became acceptable.  And by the 1960s ~12% of the population identified as left handed.  And it has remained steady ever since because  ~12% of the population is born left handed.  You can’t teach someone to be left handed or right handed, but you can ostracize some one to the point that they will hide the fact they are left handed.  Today almost everyone recognizes that it is wrong to force left handed people to pretend to be right handed.

I am heterosexual.  I consider homosexuality disgusting and repulsive.  No level of indoctrination could ever convince me otherwise.  But if I was under constant threat of physical harm I could pretend to be homosexual to avoid being beaten up.  Likewise homosexual didn’t learn to become homosexuals, it is who they are.  They can learn to hide in a closet, but you don’t learn to be gay.  You can learn tolerance or intolerance, but you don’t learn your sexual preference or hand preferences.

This law doesn’t prevent teaching sexuality, it bans the teaching of tolerance.  And like with handness or racial bigotry history will judge the intolerant poorly.

[ArtieChokePhin]

You can learn tolerance or intolerance, but you don’t learn your sexual preference or hand preferences.

This law doesn’t prevent teaching sexuality, it bans the teaching of tolerance.  And like with handness or racial bigotry history will judge the intolerant poorly.

This is where you're way off base.   Nobody is born with sexual preferences.   Those are developed over time due to experiences.  And a lot of homosexuals experienced some kind of trauma.

And yes, the law does prevent teaching sexuality...... to kids under a certain age.   And that's as it should be.   If you feel that talking about sexual activity of any kind to a group of five year olds is ok, you should not be teaching.   In fact, you should not be allowed within 1000 feet of a school.

[Dave Gray]

This is where you're way off base.   Nobody is born with sexual preferences.   Those are developed over time due to experiences.  And a lot of homosexuals experienced some kind of trauma.

A lot of straight people experience some kind of trauma, too.

Your hypothesis stated as fact that nobody is born with sexual preference is likely bullshit.  It may be partially environmental, but it isn't learned behavior.