Elon Musk buys Twitter for $54.20 per share in takeover deal worth $44BN

[CF DolFan]

Looks like its a done deal. As usual I'm actually interested in your opinions of the whole thing because most likely it isn't the same as mine. 


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10751017/Elon-Musk-seize-Twitter-TODAY-talks-reach-final-stages.html

[EDGECRUSHER]

So many categories to have opinions on regarding this issue. To be honest, this was a foregone conclusion once he made the offer, Twitter board had no choice or be sued. Zero chance of winning in court plus personal liability so they folded.

Two, the doomsayers are being stupid. No one is having Klan rallies and saying the N word all day. You act racist, you probably still get bounced. You threaten harm? Same thing. It's just going to go for both sides now.

Thirdly and most importantly, the algorithms to silence certain things or people will be removed and now it will truly be an open forum.

P.S. Trump says he wouldn't come back if offered, and he would definitely be offered, but we'll see if he holds true to that. I doubt he does. His own platform is still in it's infancy and not even on Android yet, I doubt he could resist coming back immediately to millions of followers with no censorship on what he wants to say.

[Tenshot13]

I'm always for less censorship

[Fau Teixeira]

I'm always for less censorship

/shrug

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I'm always for less censorship

Be interesting to see if tweeting out "Telsas suck" gets you banned. 

[EDGECRUSHER]

Be interesting to see if tweeting out "Telsas suck" gets you banned. 

Absolutely not. It's in his best financial and personal interest to get as many people on Twitter as possible. Twitter has suffered financially in recent times due to it's censorship. Frankly, this is how it all started. The Babylon Bee, a parody site tweeted out that Rachel Levine was their Man of the Year. Rachel is a biological male. Twitter suspended their account and Elon was pretty vocal about it. Not too long later, he owns the place.

Like I stated above, aside from outright racism and violent threats, there won't be censorship. Maybe doxxing too but we'll see on that.

[CF DolFan]

Be interesting to see if tweeting out "Telsas suck" gets you banned.  

I'm pretty sure it won't and that's the whole point. He's going to bring it back to where everyone can voice their opinion. Musk tweeted this today 'I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that is what free speech means.'

[Spider-Dan]

So you're saying Musk is going to unban ISIS from Twitter, right?  He's gonna let the marketplace of ideas ring free?

Of course not.  What we are going to get is a version of Twitter that gives a megaphone to neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, but not jihadists.
It's a direct value statement on what kinds of extremism are acceptable in our society.

P.S. All the nonsense about "free speech" and "less censorship" from the right is empty trolling, as usual.  Parler, Gab, Gettr, and Truth Social are happy to issue bans just like the wokest Silicon Valley lib.

[CF DolFan]

So you're saying Musk is going to unban ISIS from Twitter, right?  He's gonna let the marketplace of ideas ring free?

Of course not.  What we are going to get is a version of Twitter that gives a megaphone to neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, but not jihadists.
It's a direct value statement on what kinds of extremism are acceptable in our society.

P.S. All the nonsense about "free speech" and "less censorship" from the right is empty trolling, as usual.  Parler, Gab, Gettr, and Truth Social are happy to issue bans just like the wokest Silicon Valley lib.

This is exactly why I posted this. There is no way I could have come up with this response from you. Actually I can't imagine anyone thinking that way. It doesn't look like that to me at all. 

[Dave Gray]

I'll see how it goes.

I use twitter quite sparingly and I never have an active voice there -- I just use it to get info.

I'm not married to it either way.  I am not going to cancel in protest, but I'm also open to just not using it anymore if it fundamentally changes for the worst.

As for censorship, Spider is right -- if it truly is the wild west, that's probably bad.  It's not even a matter of free speech -- it's a matter of terms of service.  There are rules here at TDMMC.  It's not so that I can wag my dick around and get people to believe what I want.  It's because certain kinds of speech hurt the experience, so I don't allow it.  It's the same kind of thing.  I would expect there will still be censorship -- are you really gonna let ISIS tweet?  Doubtful.  But there may be an ease of general disinformation, which I think is a pretty big problem.

I do hope that Musk innovates and finds ways to verify uses as real people, as well as curb trolls and false information, incitements of violence, libel, etc.

[Spider-Dan]

This is exactly why I posted this. There is no way I could have come up with this response from you. Actually I can't imagine anyone thinking that way.

You literally can't imagine someone asking, "Does this mean ISIS is going to be unbanned from Twitter?"
Like, it's so obvious to you that free speech applies to neo-Nazis, but not jihadists that you cannot even conceive that being an issue.

Listen, we can have a society where freedom of expression is defined as:
"speech I consider within the bounds of polite society" = "essential free speech"
"speech I fundamentally disagree with and completely reject" = "radicals ramming their values down my throat"

The problem is that the people banning books and insisting that adults in college should not be taught whatever some believe (that day) to be "critical race theory"... are the same people who insist that THEY are Champions of Free Speech.

I have no problem admitting that I believe there are types of speech that no private organization should be obligated to amplify, and other types of speech (e.g. incitement to violence, or extortion) that should be prosecuted by the state.  But I'm honest about my position; I don't pretend to be some sort of free speech absolutist as I cheer on crackdowns on speech I disagree with.

[Spider-Dan]

As for censorship, Spider is right -- if it truly is the wild west, that's probably bad.  It's not even a matter of free speech -- it's a matter of terms of service.  There are rules here at TDMMC.  It's not so that I can wag my dick around and get people to believe what I want.  It's because certain kinds of speech hurt the experience, so I don't allow it.  It's the same kind of thing.  I would expect there will still be censorship -- are you really gonna let ISIS tweet?  Doubtful.

It's not.

Literally the only difference is that more conservatives will be allowed to harass people (doxxing etc.) and spread disinformation.
There will be no other change.  Everyone else who is banned will stay banned.

[Fau Teixeira]

You literally can't imagine someone asking, "Does this mean ISIS is going to be unbanned from Twitter?"
Like, it's so obvious to you that free speech applies to neo-Nazis, but not jihadists that you cannot even conceive that being an issue.

Listen, we can have a society where freedom of expression is defined as:
"speech I consider within the bounds of polite society" = "essential free speech"
"speech I fundamentally disagree with and completely reject" = "radicals ramming their values down my throat"

It's not that surprising to me. You'll see popular opinion treat "free speach" The same way people treat invocations conducted by members of the satanic temple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1TVOS84X48
First amendment only counts with people if they agree with the message.

[Spider-Dan]

Right.

If a law passed by Democrats violates some supposed Christian belief then it must be thrown out because it unconstitutionally violates freedom of religion, but if a law passed by Republicans violates some other religion's beliefs, then fuck off, this is a Judeo-Christian country.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

this is a Judeo-Christian country.[/i]

No, its not.  It is a Christian country.  Period.  Full Stop.  Christmas is a legal holiday.  Yom Kipper is not. 

Claiming otherwise pretends the US is significantly more accepting multiculturalism than it is and pretends legal and systematic anti-semitism is not deeply rooted in US history.