Nineteen children under the age of 10 killed in TX school shooting

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Nurses:  Risked their lives to save Covid patients wearing garbage bags as PPE.

Police: waited in the hallway wearing $1000 taxpayer purchased body armor while children were bleeding out.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

With all the other needs in the community why is police resources and tax dollars being spent to provide guard 24/7 the house of Pete Arredondo? 

[Tenshot13]

Hoodie is just screaming into the void now.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Hoodie is just screaming into the void now.

Nonstop since April 20. 1999.

How many more dead children will it take?

[Spider-Dan]

Hoodie is just screaming into the void now.

To be fair, we haven't had an instance of something else important happening, like a child somewhere reading a book in which a girl kisses another girl.
Give it time and I'm sure we'll be back to normal, where the biggest threat facing the nation is our children being taught that slavery was bad and existed in America.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Hoodie is just screaming into the void now.

While you haven't condemned the police for their actions, I will consider it progress that you, just this once haven't defended the police for arresting, pepper spraying and tasering parents while their children died from police inaction.

[Spider-Dan]

Ron DeSantis definitely ain't passing a law to reduce school shootings!
(unless the shooter is transgender... maybe)

[CF DolFan]

Only  $52.5 billion dollars to put such a system in every school in the USA.  For a system that wouldn't actually stop school shooting, but would be reasonable effective at limiting the carnage to one or two class rooms

hahaha ... you pick protecting kids for the line you won't cross on spending everyone else's money? It's much easier to respect liberals like Tusi Gabbard who actually throws out ideas that would help than it is a bunch of people who use the deaths of children for their self rightous agendas.

Politicians rush to send $40 billion to Ukraine, yet we don’t have enough money to protect our children with simple life saving solutions, like single points of entry to schools, staff training, mental health services, threat hotlines, and more.

[Dave Gray]

^ There's the Ukraine thing again.


Go ahead and put money into making safer schools.  That's fine -- but it's just one aspect.


Also, Gabbard is a fraud and has weird Russia ties.  Be careful of her.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

hahaha ... you pick protecting kids for the line you won't cross on spending everyone else's money? It's much easier to respect liberals like Tusi Gabbard who actually throws out ideas that would help than it is a bunch of people who use the deaths of children for their self rightous agendas.

Politicians rush to send $40 billion to Ukraine, yet we don’t have enough money to protect our children with simple life saving solutions, like single points of entry to schools, staff training, mental health services, threat hotlines, and more.

I don’t draw the line at spending the money.  I draw the line at pretending that the problem isn’t the gun culture but rather what we need to do is turn every school into Cheyenne Mountain.  Or divert attention from the fact the police are fucking useless piles of shit.
 
This system is just window dressing.  It does little more than teachers locking the door with a key. 

A special panic button every teacher wears doesn’t do jack shit, when cops ignore the pleas of 10 year olds that call 911. 

We need meaningful gun and police reform.  We don’t need to turn every school into a prison.

[CF DolFan]

I don’t draw the line at spending the money.  I draw the line at pretending that the problem isn’t the gun culture but rather what we need to do is turn every school into Cheyenne Mountain.  Or divert attention from the fact the police are fucking useless piles of shit.
 
This system is just window dressing.  It does little more than teachers locking the door with a key.  

A special panic button every teacher wears doesn’t do jack shit, when cops ignore the pleas of 10 year olds that call 911.  

We need meaningful gun and police reform.  We don’t need to turn every school into a prison.

Blaming guns is like blaming the teeth of the wolf for killing sheep instead of the wolf himself. Imagine taking all the teeth from the sheep and thinking it would save them. It's the same logic with guns. You can't correct people who break the freaking law by making law abiding citizens follow more laws and I'm not sure why you don't get that except for refusing to. We need to make schools safer and pretending me turning in my guns is going to help that is just goofy ass thinking.

I litterally saw one of my freinds post recently about making all guns illegal so we can have a safe society and then she freaked when the Supreme Court leak and said if we outlaw abortions young girls will just find illegal dangerous ones. Which is is Suzy? Do people who break the law follow the new laws or not? It's pretty obvious with drugs and murder they do not.

Some of the worst mass killings in the United States have occurred without firearms:
Before the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting, the deadliest attack on the LGBT community in America occurred in 1973 when an arsonist killed 32 and injured 15 at the Upstairs Lounge in New Orleans.
-In 1987, a disgruntled former airline employee killed 43 people after he hijacked and intentionally crashed a passenger plane.
-In 1990, an angry ex-lover burned down the Happy Land social club where his former girlfriend worked, killing 87 others in the process.
-In 1995, 168 people were killed and more than 600 were injured by a truck bomb parked outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
-In 2017, a man in New York City killed eight and injured 11 by renting a truck and plowing down pedestrians on a Manhattan bike path.

Do I even need to bring up 911? People with mental issues or a desire to break the law will always find a way.

[stinkfish]

While I'm on the side of severe and strict gun control, a story that I read on some news site over the wknd shows that banning firearms for citizens isn't as good as it may sound. I'm not going to be bothered with trying to dig it up. Anyone of you guys who cares can, but basically, at a graduation or birthday party in W. Va. over this past wknd an uninvited random dude crashed the party and got off a couple of indiscriminate shots into the crowd with, of course, an AR15. Didn't hit anybody. In attendance at this party was a licensed gun owner who promptly pulled out her 9mm and put that attempted mass shooter out of his misery, saving how many lives.
So score one for the 2nd Amendment, but I'm still really on the fence about gun ownership.

[Spider-Dan]

You can't correct people who break the freaking law by making law abiding citizens follow more laws and I'm not sure why you don't get that except for refusing to. We need to make schools safer and pretending me turning in my guns is going to help that is just goofy ass thinking.

It works in literally every other country in the world.  The one country where guns are given out like candy just happens to also be the only country where there are more mass shootings each year than there are days in the calendar.

"No way to prevent this..."

I litterally saw one of my freinds post recently about making all guns illegal so we can have a safe society and then she freaked when the Supreme Court leak and said if we outlaw abortions young girls will just find illegal dangerous ones. Which is is Suzy? Do people who break the law follow the new laws or not? It's pretty obvious with drugs and murder they do not.

This is a really weird way to argue that abortion, drugs, and murder should all be legal.

You don't believe any of those things, but somehow only for guns we shouldn't even TRY to outlaw them because criminals exist.  So according to you, why do we outlaw speeding?  Why do we outlaw dumping oil in the storm drain?  Why do we outlaw prostitution, or child labor, or literally anything?

Some of the worst mass killings in the United States have occurred without firearms:
Before the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting, the deadliest attack on the LGBT community in America occurred in 1973 when an arsonist killed 32 and injured 15 at the Upstairs Lounge in New Orleans.
-In 1987, a disgruntled former airline employee killed 43 people after he hijacked and intentionally crashed a passenger plane.
-In 1990, an angry ex-lover burned down the Happy Land social club where his former girlfriend worked, killing 87 others in the process.
-In 1995, 168 people were killed and more than 600 were injured by a truck bomb parked outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
-In 2017, a man in New York City killed eight and injured 11 by renting a truck and plowing down pedestrians on a Manhattan bike path.

Over the last FIFTY years, you have cited:

- one instance of a fertilizer bomb that directly resulted in new regulations on obtaining and transporting fertilizer; that kind of attack has not been repeated in the nearly three decades since
- one instance of a plane hijacking; you may recall that there was another instance of a plane hijacking that led to some... rather significant security changes in this country, which have very effectively curtailed the occurrence of plane hijackings in the US
- two instances of arson
- one instance of eight people being killed by a truck

Surely you do not need an explanation as to why outlawing trucks and fire is not remotely comparable to outlawing deadly weapons that serve no purpose whatsoever but to inflict injury.

[Spider-Dan]

While I'm on the side of severe and strict gun control, a story that I read on some news site over the wknd shows that banning firearms for citizens isn't as good as it may sound. I'm not going to be bothered with trying to dig it up. Anyone of you guys who cares can, but basically, at a graduation or birthday party in W. Va. over this past wknd an uninvited random dude crashed the party and got off a couple of indiscriminate shots into the crowd with, of course, an AR15. Didn't hit anybody. In attendance at this party was a licensed gun owner who promptly pulled out her 9mm and put that attempted mass shooter out of his misery, saving how many lives.
So score one for the 2nd Amendment, but I'm still really on the fence about gun ownership.

If neither one of them had a gun, the outcome would have been even better.

For the "criminals can't be stopped" crew, please note that the criminal in this case Just Happened to be using a gun that is easily & readily available, and not a heavily regulated gun like an M-16.  How convenient that criminals always seem to prefer to use guns that can be legally acquired easily, instead of deadlier guns that are legally more difficult to acquire!  Seems relevant to the discussion.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Blaming guns is like blaming the teeth of the wolf for killing sheep instead of the wolf himself. Imagine taking all the teeth from the sheep and thinking it would save them. It's the same logic with guns. You can't correct people who break the freaking law by making law abiding citizens follow more laws and I'm not sure why you don't get that except for refusing to. We need to make schools safer and pretending me turning in my guns is going to help that is just goofy ass thinking.

I litterally saw one of my freinds post recently about making all guns illegal so we can have a safe society and then she freaked when the Supreme Court leak and said if we outlaw abortions young girls will just find illegal dangerous ones. Which is is Suzy? Do people who break the law follow the new laws or not? It's pretty obvious with drugs and murder they do not.

Some of the worst mass killings in the United States have occurred without firearms:
Before the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting, the deadliest attack on the LGBT community in America occurred in 1973 when an arsonist killed 32 and injured 15 at the Upstairs Lounge in New Orleans.
-In 1987, a disgruntled former airline employee killed 43 people after he hijacked and intentionally crashed a passenger plane.
-In 1990, an angry ex-lover burned down the Happy Land social club where his former girlfriend worked, killing 87 others in the process.
-In 1995, 168 people were killed and more than 600 were injured by a truck bomb parked outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
-In 2017, a man in New York City killed eight and injured 11 by renting a truck and plowing down pedestrians on a Manhattan bike path.

Do I even need to bring up 911? People with mental issues or a desire to break the law will always find a way.

Five mass killings without guns over the span of 35 years.  Of those five at least two of which resulted in changes in federal law.  We have more than 5 mass killing with guns every 35 days.  More people die from guns in the USA every month than died on 9.11.

I am not proposing banning all guns.  Nor would what I am proposing eliminate all mass shootings.  But would eliminate most of them.

1. Eliminate the Dickey amendment.  It is easier to solve a problem if you can research it and collect data.  If you support the Dickey amendment what do you fear we will learn? 

2. Require all gun owners to be licensed.  Require all guns to be registered.  Require all gun transfers to recorded.  End the gun show loopholes.   Yes, you can still sell a gun to a friend (you don't need to go to thru a dealer) just as you can sell a car to a friend.  But you need to file paperwork.

3. The following are not allowed to own or possess a gun:  any conviction of a violent felony, any conviction of domestic violence, any conviction of violating gun laws, any conviction of animal abuse, any adjudication of not guilty by reason of insanity, any felony drug conviction,  any crime involving a gun, any person who went thru a diversion program to avoid a DV or violent crime conviction and anyone who has an current restraining order.  Close ALL the loop holes to domestic violence prohibition with no exceptions.  It is perfectly constitutional to regulate behavior.  We don't let felons vote, we certainly don't need to let violent felons have concealed carry.

4. Raise the purchase age to 21. Person's under 21 may only possess a gun while actively under supervision during target practice or while hunting.  We don't allow people under 21 access to alcohol or tobacco we can do the same with guns.  As for the oh...but...but..but...but...w e let people join the military under 21....but they can't own a gun.....  An exception can be carved out for anyone who has completed IET and successfully completed their branch's firearms training.  Processing the authorizing of underage firearm permits will be administrated by the SecDef who can delegate such to individual services.  Please note almost every school shooting is done by boys under the age of 21. 
 
5. Require all stored guns to be stored unloaded and secured.  Attach class E felony liability for failure to do so (and see point 3) 

6. If an owner of negligently stores a firearm or gives the firearm to someone who is not allowed to possess a firearm (not licensed, minor, etc) and the firearm is subsequently used in a crime the owner is criminally and civilly liable to the same level as aiding and abetting. 

7. Make gun theft reporting mandatory.  Failure to do so in a timely manner is a felony. 

8.  Make possession of a ghost gun a felony.  You can make a homemade gun if you want.  But you must registered it and engrave it with a serial number.  Possession of an unregistered gun is a felony in its own right and can be introduced as evidence of intention to commit other crimes. 

9. Repeal PLCAA.  Treat guns like every other consumer product.  The gun industry is the ONLY industry with such protection.