Indiana mall shooting thwarted by armed civilian

[Spider-Dan]

That is such boloney. What have we banned in the US that can't be easily purchased if you want it? If there is a market then there will always be people supplying them here.

So why aren't people in Japan, or Australia, or any other country "easily purchasing" guns?
Why did the guy who assassinated Shinzo Abe have to make his own gun at home?
Why doesn't Canada have the same rates of mass shootings that we do?

[CF DolFan]

So why aren't people in Japan, or Australia, or any other country "easily purchasing" guns?
Why doesn't Canada have the same rates of mass shootings that we do?

If your answer is always "they are doing it so much better" then why are you still here? The fact you are trying to drag in other countries to answer why we would be successful in removing guns when we can't remove anything else is very telling. You have no answer. That's like telling me that Christy Brinkley is beautiful and that the homeless drug addidcted woman should use her beauty tips and then she would look just like her. That isn't reality in the real world. Our country is full of drug lords, gangs, mafias, and other criminals. Taking my guns isn't going to stop that. Hell ...  in this day and age you can make your won anyway.

We are country who was founded on freedom. We fought for it and then established law protecting it. Our people have history as being just that and our mindset is much different than others for that reason. The soft people who wanted to be ruled over stayed in England and other European nations.   You know ... where everything is better except dental care.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

If your answer is always "they are doing it so much better" then why are you still here?

That is a lazy and disingenuous response.   

On October 4, 1957 the folks at NASA did quit there jobs and join Roscosmos, instead they developed the Mercury project. 

Many of America's best ideas came from elsewhere.  Heck democracy isn't an American invention.  The Greeks had it.  Social security was an idea we got from the Germans.  Most countries had women suffrage before us.  We were one of the last countries to end slavery.

This is my country.  I am not leaving it.  I am going to strive to improve it.  And that includes looking to other countries that do things better.

The idea of looking elsewhere for ideas and then improving upon them is called innovation and improvement and predates the European arrival in this hemisphere. 

We will be the last country to solve gun violence and either the last or second to last country to give new mothers paid maternity leave. 

We are country who was founded on freedom. We fought for it and then established law protecting it. Our people have history as being just that and our mindset is much different than others for that reason. The soft people who wanted to be ruled over stayed in England and other European nations.   You know ... where everything is better except dental care.

Wow that is ignorant.  Spider's ancestors did not leave England or choose to stay in England, they were kidnapped from Africa. 

[Spider-Dan]

If your answer is always "they are doing it so much better" then why are you still here?

Of course, there can be only one response to this:

Biden is cancelling the $300 in September but still doesn't admit the lower end of the country is perfectly content to suck of the teat of the rest of us.

It blows my mind how rude people can be by doing this or something like using their phone on speaker in a restaurant but we are digressing with manners as a country.

When something so important as the corona virus becomes a political tool you know we have lost it as a country. Regardless of who wins the next election I have completely lost any hope that the US will succeed for very much longer. We are pretty much under a Civil War as it is with absolutely no sense of moral standards.

Looking forward to your upcoming posts about your move to another country!  Live your values.

The fact you are trying to drag in other countries to answer why we would be successful in removing guns when we can't remove anything else is very telling. You have no answer.

Taking away the guns IS THE ANSWER!
We can tell this works because we have lots of other countries as evidence!

Our country is full of drug lords, gangs, mafias, and other criminals.

Every country is full of criminals.
Yet we are the only developed country with mass shootings every day.
You are the one with no answer as to why this is, because your belief system requires that you reject gun control out-of-hand.

We are country who was founded on freedom. We fought for it and then established law protecting it. Our people have history as being just that and our mindset is much different than others for that reason.

Then say that!  Stop offering up this transparent nonsense about how criminals will get guns anyway or whatever BS.  It's obviously a lie; banning guns works to dramatically decrease gun crime in every country where guns are strictly controlled.

Just be honest and admit that although you know strict gun control would work to save thousands of lives every year, you are fine with all of those preventable deaths happening Because Freedom.  The least you can do is stop trying to pretend strict gun control doesn't work.

[ArtieChokePhin]

So why aren't people in Japan, or Australia, or any other country "easily purchasing" guns?
Why did the guy who assassinated Shinzo Abe have to make his own gun at home?
Why doesn't Canada have the same rates of mass shootings that we do?

Then pack your shit and move to one of those countries then.   Maybe when you do something stupid like that bitch Brittney Griner and end up behind bars in a foreign country, you'll see how good you actually have it here.

[Phishfan]

I'll repeat what I have said many times. As a liberal leaning gun owner, any mention of banning guns is a non starter, that means both sides of the isle. If you really hope to make improvements find different language because you don't even have support of all liberals that way.

[Spider-Dan]

I would never advocate a complete ban of guns.
Our military can't be effective without them!

[Fau Teixeira]

We are country who was founded on freedom.

Literally founded on slavery. The constitution even told us just how many people slaves count for.

Freedom was for white land owning males only.

[Dave Gray]

that bitch Brittney Griner

What makes you feel justified in calling her a bitch?

Something is wrong in your misogynist, racist head.

[ArtieChokePhin]

What makes you feel justified in calling her a bitch?

Something is wrong in your misogynist, racist head.

Because that's what she is.  A race baiting bitch.  Anyone who runs their mouth like she does deserves the title. Demanding that we no longer play the national anthem at sporting events and advocating that the Constitution is a racist based document??  I'll bet she wishes she had the rights of an American citizen now.  She's getting exactly what she deserves.

[CF DolFan]

Of course, there can be only one response to this:

Looking forward to your upcoming posts about your move to another country!  Live your values.

LOL ... you wish. We aren't leaving our freedoms behind. The truth is without people like me you wouldn't be safe. The fact we have had such good times for so long has created this soft mindset that any male who isn't weak is toxic and any female who wants to live as a homemaker is brainwashed. That's all fine and dandy until crap hits the fan because then hard times make for hard men ... and we need some more of that.

Literally founded on slavery. The constitution even told us just how many people slaves count for.

Freedom was for white land owning males only.

Regardless of how you want to twist it ... those same white men created a way for everyone to be free and equal. Without them we would basically be Russia or even worse and you wouldn't be allowed to freely voice such an opinion. Instead of pointing out how messed up these people were you would be better served to focus on the positives they have provided for you and our family.

[Spider-Dan]

LOL ... you wish. We aren't leaving our freedoms behind.

It sounds like you're saying that even though you see some flaws in this country, you'd rather stay and work to correct those flaws than leave.
Interesting.

The truth is without people like me you wouldn't be safe.

Without people like you, who would be left to overthrow the government when my preferred candidate wins an election?

The real truth is that I'm not safe WITH people like you.

The fact we have had such good times for so long has created this soft mindset that any male who isn't weak is toxic and any female who wants to live as a homemaker is brainwashed. That's all fine and dandy until crap hits the fan because then hard times make for hard men ... and we need some more of that.

I see you are gleefully parroting the favorite meme of fascists:



The conclusion being that we should put "hard men" or "strong men" (read: authoritarians) in power.

The problem is that the economy has tanked under the last three Republican presidents, with Trump being the first President since the creation of recorded job statistics to have a net job loss during his term.  So if this meme were true (note: it isn't), it would mean that the good times under Democrats result in weak Republican leaders, who create hard times that result in strong Democrats being elected to replace them.

[Fau Teixeira]

Demanding that we no longer play the national anthem at sporting events and advocating that the Constitution is a racist based document??

The constitution actually is a "racist based document". From article 1, section 2:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

I mean it took 4 score and 20 years to fix it, but facts are facts. It's for sure a "racist based document".

[Fau Teixeira]

Regardless of how you want to twist it ... those same white men created a way for everyone to be free and equal. Without them we would basically be Russia or even worse and you wouldn't be allowed to freely voice such an opinion. Instead of pointing out how messed up these people were you would be better served to focus on the positives they have provided for you and our family.

People are people and they were the same back then. The founders compromised on slavery because they had more important things to worry for themselves than slavery.  And I can focus on whatever i want to focus on. That's the beauty of the freedom you seem to assume only exists in the USA.

But we can play a game of what if. What if we lost the revolutionary war and the british hung the founders from the gallows in philadelphia and we remained a british colony, we'd be in roughly the same state of freedom as lets say Canada, which seems like a perfectly free country as far as I can tell. They have freedom of the press and speech. They don't have the freedom to shoot up malls however, but they do have the freedom to have universal health care, so maybe they're a bit more free in fact than we are.

[Dave Gray]

I love America and I love the founders, but they were flawed men and a product of their time.  They set up a government to help themselves on the backs of blacks and women -- we've evolved since then.  We should continue to evolve some more.

They deserve credit for the things they advanced and they deserve blame for the things they held back.  It's a gray world out there.  History isn't all good/all bad.  George Washington was a man.  He wasn't a superhero.

We want to put people in boxes and life just isn't like that.