Roughing the passer on Tom Brady

[Dave Gray]

If you've not seen it yet, go seek out the roughing the passer called in favor of Brady this week.  He just gets tackled.  It's truly one of the worst calls I've ever seen.

I am not a conspiracy guy, so I don't think there's any bigger plan here, but for anyone who thinks that the NFL is making sure that the Bucs and Brady are in the conversation, this would be evidence for that.  It happened at such a critical point in the game and basically ended the game.

As a Dolphins fan, I've been seeing this kind of pro-Brady (or pro Patriots) garbage for decades, so it's not news to me.  Remember when we were recovering a fumble and got called for "batting" so the Patriots got the ball back and beat us?  Good times.

[dolphins4life]

So he got a call today.  He has gotten screwed over many times.

When I point them out everybody here says I am a Brady lover.

When I point out that the patriots have had calls go against them against us, you all just say “It all evens out” or “I don’t dwell on the past” or some other nonsense

Dave

1) That illegal batting call was correct. 

2) in the second game that year, the refs gifted Miami a win over New England by not calling blatant pass interference

Even this year.  Howard could have easily been penalized on his tipped int

Utter absurdity

[dolphins4life]

Dave, you cite ONE call that was correct.  Any other examples of pro patriot bias?

[Dave Gray]

Yeah, about 20 years of calls, but the Tuck Rule comes to mind.

You can talk yourself into calling anything, but there's no way the tuck rule is called in favor of Jay Fiedler.  Brady got the benefit of these obscure things that weren't real.  He fumbled.  They found a way for it not to be a fumble.


Same with batting.  That was bullshit.  He didn't bat shit.  Guys were falling all over the place and trying to grab a loose football while they were crawling along the ground, as is and has been the standard for all of my football watching life.  I've never seen batting called in that circumstance before or since.

[dolphins4life]

Yeah, about 20 years of calls, but the Tuck Rule comes to mind.

You can talk yourself into calling anything, but there's no way the tuck rule is called in favor of Jay Fiedler.  Brady got the benefit of these obscure things that weren't real.  He fumbled.  They found a way for it not to be a fumble.


Same with batting.  That was bullshit.  He didn't bat shit.  Guys were falling all over the place and trying to grab a loose football while they were crawling along the ground, as is and has been the standard for all of my football watching life.  I've never seen batting called in that circumstance before or since.

Twenty years of bad calls.  Two examples cited

The tuck rule was the right call.

The illegal batting was the right call.  I can cite examples of it being called.  The giants were called for it in the super bowl.

Two examples of correct calls in twenty years to make your case is absurd


I can cite plenty of examples of bad calls against the patriots in that span.

[Dave Gray]

I've named 3.  But I can do more:

This was a shitty Brady throw called PI.  It's clearly an uncatchable ball:
https://twitter.com/BartHarleyJarv9/status/1358585414534246402

This is a bailout on a "low hit":
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1482777070451187720/pu/vid/1280x720/UlzmdTz2-aqswUW9.mp4?tag=12

Here's an entire article about penalty bias.  The Pats are the least penalized team in the league since 2010:
https://wegrynenterprises.com/2022/01/25/have-referees-been-targeting-certain-nfl-teams-more-than-others/
It's not a silver bullet, but it might be evidence that the Pats have been on the receiving end of some bad calls.

Here's another "roughing the passer"": https://twitter.com/i/status/1087173806282731525

Here's another.  This was ruled as a "forearm to the head": https://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/12/11/2628464/london-fletcher-penalty-tom-brady-hit-redskins-vs-patriots


Here's a quote from Brady, admitting he gets preferential treatment, in regard to unsportsmanlike calls.  I would assume that extents to other types of infractions as well:
"“I do know that they probably let me get away with a lot of unsportsmanlike conducts, talking smack to the other team and talking smack to the refs when I don’t think I get the right call,” Brady confessed. “I’m kind of a pain in their ass, if you don’t already know that.”"

[dolphins4life]

Check back tonight.  I can post plenty of bad calls that have gone against him

[fyo]

Check back tonight.  I can post plenty of bad calls that have gone against him

Oh for the love of God, please don't.

[dolphins4life]

Oh for the love of God, please don't.

Why?  Because it will show utterly stupid the claim of Brady bias and patriot bias is? 

Is that the rule here?  You can’t respond to absurd claims?

[dolphins4life]

I've named 3.  But I can do more:

This was a shitty Brady throw called PI.  It's clearly an uncatchable ball:
https://twitter.com/BartHarleyJarv9/status/1358585414534246402

This is a bailout on a "low hit":
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1482777070451187720/pu/vid/1280x720/UlzmdTz2-aqswUW9.mp4?tag=12

Here's an entire article about penalty bias.  The Pats are the least penalized team in the league since 2010:
https://wegrynenterprises.com/2022/01/25/have-referees-been-targeting-certain-nfl-teams-more-than-others/
It's not a silver bullet, but it might be evidence that the Pats have been on the receiving end of some bad calls.

Here's another "roughing the passer"": https://twitter.com/i/status/1087173806282731525

Here's another.  This was ruled as a "forearm to the head": https://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/12/11/2628464/london-fletcher-penalty-tom-brady-hit-redskins-vs-patriots


Here's a quote from Brady, admitting he gets preferential treatment, in regard to unsportsmanlike calls.  I would assume that extents to other types of infractions as well:
"“I do know that they probably let me get away with a lot of unsportsmanlike conducts, talking smack to the other team and talking smack to the refs when I don’t think I get the right call,” Brady confessed. “I’m kind of a pain in their ass, if you don’t already know that.”"

The first one is from Super Bowl 55 and SURPRISE!! SURPRISE!!  It's the right call.  That is cutting off a receiver's route without playing the ball.  That IS a catchable pass.  Just because Tony Romo says it is not does not make it so.  Mike Evans is 6 feet four inches tall, and he has a high vertical leap.  He definitely could jump and catch the ball.

Second one:  Yes, that is bullshit

Third one:  Again, yes that is a bullshit call, but how about all the calls that went against the Patriots in that game?  Gronk and Edelman were mugged all over the field in that game.

Fourth one:  Yes that is bullshit.

So yes, he has gotten some calls, but he has gotten far more to go against him

[dolphins4life]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thQ30jKBZTk
Links don't seem to be working.  Let me give context

Divisional round against Denver in 2005:  Horrible pass interference call against Asante Samuel set up Denver's first touchdown. Then, the Champ Bailey/Ben Watson play that should have been ruled a touchback, but was not ruled so set up their second one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1EBPLDBv5w


AFC Championship game against the Colts in 2006.  Plenty of bad calls in this game.  Notably the OPI against Troy Brown in the second quarter that stopped the Patriots from making the score 28-3.  Then, Ellis Hobbs was flagged for pass interference on a play in which he didn't touch the receiver.  Then, Reche Caldwell was tackled in the end zone, but no flag was thrown.  And the Colts' final drive featured an even worse roughing the passer call than any of the ones you cited.

Super Bowl 42 against the Giants, when they didn't call holding on the Tyree Catch.  This is why Eli Manning able to break free from the defender's grasp and make the throw.

Or the 2015 regular season game against Denver, when the refs called a ridiculous penalty to wipe out a game clinching sack.  Then, they didn't call a blatant pass interference against Denver in OT, giving Denver the game.

Or the 2015 AFC title game against Denver.  Talib flagrantly mauled Gronk in the end zone in the fourth quarter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSQmEKcyAeI

Or the blatant shove of Chris Hogan not called on the last play of Super Bowl 52?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeHunswDrGE&t=42s

Or the 2019 regular season game against the Chiefs?  They incorrectly took a touchdown away from N'Keal Harry because they said he stepped out of bonds when he clearly did not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvaaHHDz8LE


So, there is no bias towards Brady

mod edit: fixed links

[dolphins4life]

2013:  The Patriots are on the wrong end of an obscure rule when the Jets missed a field goal in overtime.

[CF DolFan]

We've had them called against our guys too and will probably see many more questionable as QBs are pulled from games. Wouldn't be surprsed to see them adopt a rule where you can pressure the QB but not tackle him if he isn't running. It will look like a basketball defense back there before too long the way the NFL is going.

[Fau Teixeira]

I finally took a look at that sack and it was probably the worst call i've ever seen.

[fyo]

^ The ref said he threw the flag because the defender needlessly threw the quarterback to the ground. I can't help but think this is somewhat of a reaction to the Tua injury (last one). Basically, it seems like refs want defenders to drag the quarterback down, but not to roll/twist. Seems kind of odd and I'm not sure how it will work against bigger quarterbacks who aren't going to be willing to just get dragged down, but they ultimately found a reasonable way to call the "landing on the quarterback" thing, so maybe this will work too.