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« on: November 07, 2022, 10:01:39 am »

Tua Tagovailoa completed 21-of-30 passes for 302 yards and three touchdowns in Miami's 35-32, Week 9 win over the Bears.

Tagovailoa continues to have his tendency to underthrow the ball pop up at bad times, as an underfloated ball to Jaylen Waddle down the sideline gave the Bears life at the end of the game and a gopherball to Durham Smythe in the flat forced one of Miami's fourth-down failures. Oh well. He continues to produce in fantasy, which is what we care about, and the Miami offense generates open throws for him in abundance. Tagovailoa will be on the QB1 line against the Browns in Week 10.

That is from NBC's Fantasy Football site. These are some of his stats:
69.9 Cmp % (3rd behind Geno Smith and Burrow)
15-3 TD/INT
5th in Yards PG
1st in YPA
4th in TD despite missing 3 games
1st in QBR
1st in QB Rating (Traditional version)
6-0 as a starter when finishing the game

All that and all we hear about are dropped INTs and under throws. Are they saying that Josh Allen would have 7,000 yards by now if he had our offense? What are they trying to say with this stupidity? It goes against modern human nature to admit we are wrong about things, and almost everyone was wrong about Tua and they can't admit it.
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2022, 10:04:54 am »

Tom Brady underthrew a couple of balls yesterday as well a Mahomes and Allen. If someone is bitching about Tua right now it isn't worth arguing with them as they are just stupid. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2022, 10:13:00 am »

It's very silly, but it won't go away. Part of it is the left-handed-looks-weird angle, part of it is the insanely stupid offense he was in under Flores (the league-lowest YPA etc massively enabled the narrative), and part of it is that he truly DOESN'T have a cannon for an arm.

The best he can do is get better at ball placement down the field. Even on throws when he easily can throw it longer (no one is saying Tua cannot throw the ball 30 yards), his timing is slightly off and the ball becomes underthrown. Designed underthrows (which obviously aren't really underthrows, but just an expansion of the back shoulder fade concept) can be effective when there is a safety over the top, but otherwise adjusting the trajectory slightly would do wonders.

It often feels like Hill and Waddle are just a lot quicker than even Tua thinks. Maybe that aspect will improve with time.
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2022, 10:36:02 am »

He doesn't have the strongest arm in the the league, but that's not his game.  That's not our game.

Every deep ball isn't an underthrow.  He puts the ball in play, lets the receiver adjust, and either gets the catch or they get the PI.

Yesterday, even one of Tua's "underthrows" but the defender, who had his back to the ball, luckily had his hand in the right place.  But that ball is usually caught, too.  That's our offense.  It's not an underthrow.

And God forbid that Tua does actually underthrow a guy on a shorter route, it isn't because of lack of arm-strength.  QBs miss windows all the time....WRs adjust.  Tua's style is beneficial because WRs come back to the ball....this is something they're doing all over the field, even on short routes.


It was a bad narrative early, but the media just hasn't adjusted and they keep saying the same stupid shit.  Tua is balling out on the deep ball and because they aren't walk in TDs in-stride, there is criticism.  But that's not what we're doing here.   We have more successful deep balls in one game than we have had in a full season and the fans are short-circuiting.
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2022, 12:44:31 pm »

It’s gonna be fun if he continues to silence them. Finish out this year well and continue it to next season and they will come around. 

The Dec 11th game is gonna matter a lot. I have a feeling he wants to show off against Herbert.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2022, 05:18:43 am »

Tua is #1 in PFF's ratings, #1 in QBR, #1 in passer rating, #1 in Football Outsider's DVOA (per play) and DYAR (total volume).

He has a passer rating of 147.0 on third down, obviously league-leading.

His current DVOA of 50.5% would be bested by only 4 player seasons if it were to hold for the year (it likely won't): 1984 Marino, 2004 and 2006 Peyton Manning, and 2007 Tom Brady.

Tua's current performance is *ridiculous*.

But...but...it's Hill... it's the system... OH F*CK OFF!
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2022, 08:39:14 am »



But...but...it's Hill... it's the system... OH F*CK OFF!
If Hill was the only reason then he'd have done this in KC but he didn't. Hill is the best WR in the league for someone like Tua and McDaniel's offense. Tua is the clog that makes everything happen or we wouldn't be 0-3 in games he didn't play or finish.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2022, 03:36:23 pm »

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He has a passer rating of 147.0 on third down, obviously league-leading.

not just league leading .. it's the best of all time, ever since statistics have been kept.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2022, 09:54:47 am »

Tua was named the FedEx Air Player of the Week for the 3rd time this season. That leads all players, although it's mainly a QB award.
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2022, 03:54:00 pm »

Tua gets more heat for "almost interceptions" in a win than Allen gets for actual interceptions in a loss. It's pretty remarkable given the actual numbers. Tua Tagovailoa through 9 weeks:

1st - Passer rating 115.9
1st - QBR 79.9
1st - Yards per attempt 9.2
1st - Touchdown percentage 6.9%
1st - Expected points added per play .19
1st – Net yards per play 8.54
3rd – comp % 69.9%
t-4th – INT % 1.4%
4th – sack % 3.6%
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2022, 10:31:07 am »

Some Tua notables:

0.710 in the NFL (including all games for which he got a stat line). That's 12 wins in a 17 game season.
Obviously #1 in pretty much every passing stat this year.
The first quarterback in NFL history to have 3 consecutive games with 135+ passer rating.
7 of 7 for 80 yards and a touchdown on 3rd down against the Browns.
Now 49 of 64 for 681 yards, 9 touchdowns, and zero interceptions on 3rd down this season (149.8 passer rating).
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2022, 11:23:47 am »

Josh Allen leads the NFL in Interceptions, so it should go without saying that Tua is the best QB in the AFC East.
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2022, 12:20:28 pm »

The absolute BEST thing I saw from Tua yesterday was how he handled the high snap on that one play that could have been a disaster. Instead of trying to make something out of nothing he just got control of the ball and got down. THAT is the way you make plays with your head. Bad play, just don't make it worse by trying to make something out of nothing. Just forget that play and get them on the next one. Marino was the BEST at this. He's learning. Avoiding big mistakes is just as important as making big plays in the NFL. He's doing both at an incredible pace now. I would have never thought that he was going to get this point after his rookie year. If he continues to get better, I was wrong about Tua. Miami is fun to watch again.
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2022, 12:33:35 pm »

The absolute BEST thing I saw from Tua yesterday was how he handled the high snap on that one play that could have been a disaster. Instead of trying to make something out of nothing he just got control of the ball and got down. THAT is the way you make plays with your head. Bad play, just don't make it worse by trying to make something out of nothing. Just forget that play and get them on the next one. Marino was the BEST at this. He's learning. Avoiding big mistakes is just as important as making big plays in the NFL. He's doing both at an incredible pace now. I would have never thought that he was going to get this point after his rookie year. If he continues to get better, I was wrong about Tua. Miami is fun to watch again.
It's a whole lot easier to eat that ball when the coach isn't trying to replace you or constantly is reminding you that he doesn't like you. The pressure to make something happen even when it isn't there kills a lot of great potential QBs.
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2022, 02:02:55 pm »

It's a whole lot easier to eat that ball when the coach isn't trying to replace you or constantly is reminding you that he doesn't like you. The pressure to make something happen even when it isn't there kills a lot of great potential QBs.

100%.

Tua this season is just proof that Flores is not cut out to be an NFL Head Coach. I doubt he ever gets the opportunity again thanks to his ridiculous lawsuit, but just based off of merit he doesn't deserve it either.
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