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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2023, 08:34:58 am »

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My interest in preventing myself from getting sick isn't all that closely related to how likely I think I am to die from the illness.
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2023, 10:15:50 am »

I wear a mask to Drs appts. and if i'm feeling sick. I also wear one on a plane because everyone is so packed in together.
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2023, 11:14:03 am »

Trump responded to the pandemic by

1) banning travel to and from China
2) banning travel to and from Europe
3) creating a task force
4) funding Ppe
5) sending a navy hospital ship to NYC

How was our response the worst?
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2023, 12:44:04 pm »

How was it the worst on the planet?

Can anybody answer this?
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2023, 12:56:00 pm »

How was it the worst on the planet?

Can anybody answer this?

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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2023, 01:10:37 pm »

Total dead. 


Doesn't answer the question.

Here's why

2 countries

One country has one hundred people with compromised immune systems

One country has one hundred people with strong immune systems

The first country takes immediate action

The second country does not

The first county loses several people to the virus

The second country does not lose anybody to the virus.

Do you see now how that response is invalid and does not answer my question?
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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2023, 02:56:25 pm »

Can anybody answer the question about our "bad response" now?
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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2023, 03:01:40 pm »

One country has one hundred people with compromised immune systems

One country has one hundred people with strong immune systems
You have zero evidence that the US population entered 2020 with worse immune systems that other industrialized countries.  You are simply inventing that claim to make excuses for the world-worst response of the Trump Administration.

These "questions" you are asking have already been answered multiple times.  You simply ignore our answers and then ask them over and over again.

I see you're still in the conservative echo chamber on this one.  Here's a reality check for you:

Trump will have the worst jobs record in modern U.S. history. It’s not just the pandemic.

President Trump took office at the crest of the longest economic expansion in U.S. history. He leaves presiding over the worst labor market in modern U.S. history, as an already-sputtering economic recovery has turned negative.

Friday’s awful jobs report from the Labor Department showed there were still 3 million fewer jobs in the United States than there were on Inauguration Day 2017, when Trump stood in front of the Capitol and vowed to reverse the American carnage.

No other modern president has left the U.S. with a smaller workforce than it had when they took office. Since the government started keeping track in 1939, no other president has even seen significant job losses during a single presidential term — though job growth during George W. Bush’s first four years in office was essentially flat.


Here's some more sources if you don't like Washington Post:

Fortune: Trump to leave office with the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover (note: we didn't start keeping those records until after Hoover)
CNN: Trump’s job losses are the worst of any American president on record
USA Today: Fact check: Chart of job growth by president shows historic unemployment under Trump
We rate this claim TRUE, based on our research. More jobs were lost during the Trump administration than any other in history.
Reuters: Trump ends his term like a growing number of Americans: out of a job

Trump's management of the pandemic was absolutely catastrophic.  He insisted over and over that it was not a big deal, and his corrupt cronies used the opportunity to gouge state governments who were trying to get critical medical supplies to help address the problem.  It is no accident that the economy quickly recovered under Biden even throughout another year-plus of the ongoing pandemic.

The claim that Trump was better on the economy than Biden is exactly the same as the claim that Dubya was better on the economy than Obama.  It's unhinged Republican fantasy; completely delusional with no basis in reality.

Unless the economy-destroying shutdown-obsessed Democrat-run blue states immediately became pro-business and anti-shutdown the moment Trump left office, there is no difference here; Democrats are still job-killing commies regardless, right?  You're just making excuses for why Trump's 9 months of COVID were a complete disaster, while Biden immediately righted the ship when he got into office.  This is directly and entirely due to the Trump Administration's pathetic COVID response; it is no accident that Mr. "The pandemic will be over by Easter" (note: Easter 2020 was April 12) presided over TWENTY MILLION LOST JOBS in April 2020, the very same month he said COVID would be done with.

And for the record, even prior to COVID Trump's economic growth was feeble compared to Obama's second term, much less Biden's term so far:



You can make a stronger argument for the George W. Bush economy than the Donald Trump economy.  Trump was literally that bad.

1) He downplayed and politicized the virus, telling the whole country (not just "his people") that it wasn't serious and was a political stunt.  This caused Americans to be resistant to steps like masking, not least because he himself refused to wear one (and said it made the wearer look "weak").
2) His corrupt and incompetent administration actively interfered with attempts to mitigate the virus.  Not only did they NOT help, they seized critical medical supplies so they could resell them to the highest bidder.
3) Trump himself repeatedly interfered with the CDC's efforts to inform the public and set public policy.

Again, there is a reason why the United States of America had the worst COVID response on the planet despite being the wealthiest nation on earth.  It wasn't bad luck or an unhealthy population.  It was rank incompetence and corruption, from the very top.

Your response to all of this when explained previously? (emphasis added)
Not sure how much of that is on him.  Republicans would have not taken the virus seriously anyway, so he had to do what he needed to do to appeal to his base.
Complete denial and abdication of responsibility.

Don't expect any more responses from me on this topic.  This has been thoroughly explained to you and you simply reject it.  I have no interest in citations of a couple of studies that indicate maybe masks aren't effective when y'all happily ignore DOZENS of studies that show that they are.

You're trolling.
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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2023, 03:40:11 pm »

Those are your claims.

I disagree with them, but you responded.  That's all I asked for.

This is a forum, and we are going to disagree, but at least you responded.

You contradict yourself

You blame Trump for not taking the virus seriously and also blame for the jobs loss due to the virus causing shutdowns.

However, it's literally impossible to "take the virus seriously" and "not shut down the country.  Attempts to mitigate the virus BY DEFINITION, cause job losses.  Ron DeSantis proved this in Florida when he refused to shut down the state.

If Righting the Ship means huge inflation and opening borders, I shudder to think what a sinking ship would be.

Now, to everybody else in the thread.

I think in some countries they wore masks even before the pandemic.

It should be noted that many countries with "better" responses have much higher taxation and give much more free stuff to their citizenry, so there citizens could AFFORD to follow precautions.  Many Americans are not in that situation.
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