CNBC's top 10 (and bottom 10) states to live and work in 2023

[pondwater]

Yes, I'm aware that the current conservative position is "The climate changes, but humans have nothing to do with it and no one can do anything about it anyway."
As I said, many like-minded Floridians are going to get to put this belief system into practice shortly.
Your insurance rates will reflect this lifestyle choice.

Or maybe when all the insurance companies in FL are gone and FL sinks into the abyss from Hurricane Lucifer. All the conservatives in FL will follow the top 10 list and all move to #1 Vermont. WooHoo, Vermont is a Constitutional Carry state too, win/win. Maybe it will be deep red before too long LMAO

[raptorsfan29]

Who care's what the current population is? You cite California and yet they're not in the top 10 on this bullshit list. In fact, I hope anyone from California that wants to move, by all means use this list and move to #1 Vermont. I mean, why not move to the best place it the country to live? FL and TX suck... Please do it and find my corpse and let me know how that worked out LMFAO.

The problem for Spider is that he only uses the rankings of one of the ten categories used because it fits with his political ideology. Texas ranks in the top 10 on 4 of those categories (2 2nds, 1 1st and 1 8th). He is the most diehard democratic party supporter on this board really bordering on being a fanatic. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/11/americas-top-states-for-business-2023-the-full-rankings.html

The overall rankings of top 10 and bottom 10 are as followed.

1   North Carolina
2   Virginia
3   Tennessee
4   Georgia
5   Minnesota
6   Texas
7   Washington
8   Florida
9   Utah
10   Michigan

Bottom 10

41   Oklahoma
42   Alabama
43   New Mexico
44   Arkansas
45   Rhode Island
46   West Virginia
47   Hawaii
48   Mississippi
49   Louisiana
50   Alaska

[Dave Gray]

^ Those are rankings for business.  Not for individuals.

[pondwater]

^ Those are rankings for business.  Not for individuals.

You have a point. However, individuals follow business.

[raptorsfan29]

^ Those are rankings for business.  Not for individuals.

If that was so then Spider wouldn't have just copied and pasted from the Life, health, and Inclusion Ranking then. Do you want me to copy and Paste from the Cost of living rankings since that is "for Individuals"?

The complete list of the 10 Categories

WORK FORCE
INFRA- STRUCTURE    
ECONOMY
LIFE, HEALTH & INCLUSION,
COST OF DOING BUSINESS    
TECHN & INNOVATION,
BUSINESS FRIENDLI- NESS,
EDUCATION,
ACCESS TO CAPITAL
COST OF LIVING

So which ones do you think are individual based?

[Spider-Dan]

No, my point is that one is a constitutionally protected right and one isn't.

State income tax is specifically authorized by the Constitution and affirmed by the Supreme Court in Oklahoma Tax Commission vs. Chickasaw Nation, therefore by your logic, it is irrelevant to consider which states enact their Constitutionally-guaranteed right to collect income taxes when comparing the best states to live and work in.  Q.E.D.

No matter how much you try to insist that people shouldn't care about rights and/or privileges that are not expressly guaranteed by the US Constitution, they do anyway.

Who care's what the current population is? You cite California and yet they're not in the top 10 on this bullshit list.

California may not be in the top 10 - too many people want to live here, which (according to capitalism) makes the cost of living high - but at least it's not in the bottom 10 like Florida and Texas.

I did also cite "blue states," which comprise the entirety of the top 10.  Meanwhile, the bottom 10 is entirely red states.
Reality has a liberal bias!

[Spider-Dan]

The problem for Spider is that he only uses the rankings of one of the ten categories used because it fits with his political ideology.

If that was so then Spider wouldn't have just copied and pasted from the Life, health, and Inclusion Ranking then. Do you want me to copy and Paste from the Cost of living rankings since that is "for Individuals"?

Dude, what are you talking about?  The titles of the articles are "These are America’s 10 best states to live and work in" and "These are America’s 10 worst states to live and work in".  The rankings are the rankings from the articles.

If you want to cite their articles ranking different states' cost of living, go nuts!  No one is stopping you.  You can also cite their rankings for best states for businesses (as you did).  My point is exactly the title of this thread: CNBC's ranking of the 10 best & worst states to live and work in for 2023.  If you don't think that's anything that anyone should care about, feel free to make that argument.

[Pappy13]

50. Texas
Strengths: [no metrics in the top 25] / Weaknesses: Reproductive Rights, Health, Voting Rights, Worker Protections, Inclusiveness

Sounds like they didn't factor the actual job market into the equation.

[Dave Gray]

If that was so then Spider wouldn't have just copied and pasted from the Life, health, and Inclusion Ranking then. Do you want me to copy and Paste from the Cost of living rankings since that is "for Individuals"?

The complete list of the 10 Categories

WORK FORCE
INFRA- STRUCTURE    
ECONOMY
LIFE, HEALTH & INCLUSION,
COST OF DOING BUSINESS    
TECHN & INNOVATION,
BUSINESS FRIENDLI- NESS,
EDUCATION,
ACCESS TO CAPITAL
COST OF LIVING

So which ones do you think are individual based?

All of these are for individuals.


Is one of us being dense here?

Spider's posted a list called "Top states to LIVE AND WORK"
Pondwater posted a list called "Top states for BUSINESS"

I'm just pointing out that one list targets individuals (those that live and work)
And one list targets (what I assume is where to run a) business.

[pondwater]

All of these are for individuals.


Is one of us being dense here?

Spider's posted a list called "Top states to LIVE AND WORK"
Pondwater posted a list called "Top states for BUSINESS"

I'm just pointing out that one list targets individuals (those that live and work)
And one list targets (what I assume is where to run a) business.

I don't recall posting any lists in this thread. I would think that most people would ignore these silly lists and do their own research to decide where to live. LOL at trusting the media to decide where to live

[Dave Gray]

Sorry...not pondwater...Raptop posted the business list.

[pondwater]

No matter how much you try to insist that people shouldn't care about rights and/or privileges that are not expressly guaranteed by the US Constitution, they do anyway.

They do? Who is they? I got something in my newsfeed this morning and found it relevant to the conversation. Ironically, it's also a CNBC article dated July 29th. The reality is that most people are flocking to the south. Your assertion that the majority of the general population actually cares about some of these metrics is laughable.

So you have a mainstream media outlet ranking their opinion of the best states to live and work in. Then 2 weeks later, the same media outlet is reporting what states the majority of people are actually moving to. One is a mathematical fact and one is an opinion. If these metrics were as important to people as you say they are, people would be flocking to those states.

Edit: Here's another article with an interactive map that shows the reality. The states Americans are moving to — and the states they are ditching. Both seem to contradict the agenda you're pushing.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The reason people move to places that have higher property costs is because they would rather live there.  The reason why someone moved to a place with lower property costs is because the price is lower, not because they want to be there.  You can buy a house in Alabama for 1/20th as NYC.  If you think NY is only 10x better than AL you move to AL.  Doesn't mean you think AL is a better place.  The high rent district is the high rent district for a reason -- that is where everyone wants to live.

[Spider-Dan]

The reality is that most people are flocking to the south. Your assertion that the majority of the general population actually cares about some of these metrics is laughable. [...]

If these metrics were as important to people as you say they are, people would be flocking to those states.

The actual reality, as I already pointed out and you ignored, is that the overwhelming majority of Americans choose to live in blue states.
 
You want to try to focus on the minority of people who are changing states, while conveniently omitting the significantly larger number of people who choose to stay.  Again, if we want to point at the population scoreboard to validate ideologies, let's look at the total score, not just the last inning.

[pondwater]

The actual reality, as I already pointed out and you ignored, is that the overwhelming majority of Americans choose to live in blue states.
 
You want to try to focus on the minority of people who are changing states, while conveniently omitting the significantly larger number of people who choose to stay.  Again, if we want to point at the population scoreboard to validate ideologies, let's look at the total score, not just the last inning.

Not sure what that has to do with anything. We're not talking about current populations of red and blue states, otherwise that would have been one of the metrics. As quoted from the article you posted, "Some states are putting out the welcome mat to attract the biggest, happiest, and most diverse workforce." That statement implies that they're talking about states attracting new people to move there.

The list you posted is bogus. The actual numbers show that most people are moving to states that the list you posted says are the worst states. It also shows that not many of them are moving to the so called best states on that list. And it actually has nothing to do with populations or states, it has to do with you posting bogus nonsense that isn't backed up by the facts or numbers.