CNBC's top 10 (and bottom 10) states to live and work in 2023

[Spider-Dan]

Reproductive choice is a question of whether or not you have a right to make a personal choice.

It isn't the same as childcare.  There is no law in some states saying you aren't allowed to have childcare if you want it.

Dave, you're talking about the same thing: money.

If you have money, Missouri's abortion ban doesn't hurt you; you go to Kansas or Illinois to get an abortion.
If you have money, the lack of childcare support in Louisiana doesn't matter; your money is still green, so you can hire help.

[Spider-Dan]

What exactly do you consider "targeting"? I mean, what is the appropriate term for categorizing and ranking the states that are passing many laws targeting gun ownership?

I provided a link explaining exactly what I mean by targeting: over 400 anti-LGBTQ bills have been introduced in state legislatures across the United States since the start of the year.

But now it seems that you have quickly pivoted from complaining about a totally made-up metric of "inclusiveness" to... asking me to give a name to a different totally made-up metric about gun ownership.  If your argument is that this study should have more heavily weighted states where you can legally own a 100-round magazine, then make that argument.

[Spider-Dan]

They are trying to come up with a solution. Some of the things passed last year will take time to have an effect and they are looking at other things. No doubt with all insurance companies leaving Florida it is a pretty big issue. Cutting out insurance fraud is just one way they are attacking it.

Unfortunately or fortunately (as Trump would say), Florida is rather uniquely situated to directly experience the consequences of human decisions on climate change that Floridians largely deny are real.

That is not to say that there is anything that the state of Florida could do that would make a difference; the problem is much bigger than the scale of one state.  But many of the people in Florida who reject the prospect of climate change solutions are soon going to get to live their beliefs in a more direct manner.  It's one thing for conservatives in South Dakota or Idaho to insist that this global warming stuff is all a hoax, but - as y'all continue to find out - Florida has much more skin in the game than rural northern states.

I would not be surprised to see Florida continue to slide down these kinds of rankings in the future.

[pondwater]

I provided a link explaining exactly what I mean by targeting: over 400 anti-LGBTQ bills have been introduced in state legislatures across the United States since the start of the year.

Yeah, I read through it and didn't see anything that stood out. I mean there is no constitutional right to use any bathroom you want to use on a whim. Also, I would think that parents have a legal right to decide and/or be informed on their minor child's medical or mental care. And certainly the howling from liberals about book banning falls on deaf ears when they themselves have tried to ban certain books in the past.

But now it seems that you have quickly pivoted from complaining about a totally made-up metric of "inclusiveness" to... asking me to give a name to a different totally made-up metric about gun ownership.  If your argument is that this study should have more heavily weighted states where you can legally own a 100-round magazine, then make that argument.

Well, I think the point that went over your head is that you can apply "inclusiveness" to any arbitrary laws that target anyone. If you're making nonsensical firearm laws, you're not being inclusive to gun owners. However, I would like to point out that the 2nd amendment is a constitutional right. Abortion and using whatever bathroom you want on any random day isn't. As pointed out earlier, that's why there are 50 different states. It's literally how the country was founded. Because aside from constitutional rights, not everyone wants to live the same way.

[Spider-Dan]

I mean there is no constitutional right to use any bathroom you want to use on a whim.

This isn't a top 10 ranking of states where the minimum requirements of the US Constitution are met.  All 50 states meet that standard.
It's a listing of the best and worst states to live and work, and whether a state chooses to make life easier or harder for LGBT residents is a reasonable factor in that ranking.

As pointed out earlier, that's why there are 50 different states. It's literally how the country was founded. Because aside from constitutional rights, not everyone wants to live the same way.

And that's why a ranking exists!
Because the governing philosophy of some states makes them more attractive as a place to live and work than other states.

[Fau Teixeira]

What exactly do you consider "targeting"? I mean, what is the appropriate term for categorizing and ranking the states that are passing many laws targeting gun ownership?

Sanity

[pondwater]

This isn't a top 10 ranking of states where the minimum requirements of the US Constitution are met.  All 50 states meet that standard.
It's a listing of the best and worst states to live and work, and whether a state chooses to make life easier or harder for LGBT residents is a reasonable factor in that ranking.

So you're saying that "targeting" a very small group of people is more important factor in ranking states than "targeting" a substantially large group of people? Seems to me that the larger group being "targeted" would be a more useful metric. 

 

And that's why a ranking exists!
Because the governing philosophy of some states makes them more attractive as a place to live and work than other states.

Hence the point that the whole ranking is based on leftist partisan talking points. Most rational people wouldn't use this ranking for the purposes of choosing a place to live. There's a shit load of people moving to FL and TX.

[CF DolFan]

Another way would be to have Florida can just ship a shitload of illegal immigrants to other states, burn a bunch of books, get rid of drag queens, and make the black community say "thank you" for teaching them useful skills.  I'm sure that would help their insurance issues magically go away.

Dammit man. You've completely figured it out that easily. It's a miracle your life hasn't turned out better than it has. I would think you and Elon would be fighting it out for the richest person alive with creative innovational thought like that.

[CF DolFan]

Unfortunately or fortunately (as Trump would say), Florida is rather uniquely situated to directly experience the consequences of human decisions on climate change that Floridians largely deny are real.

That is not to say that there is anything that the state of Florida could do that would make a difference; the problem is much bigger than the scale of one state.  But many of the people in Florida who reject the prospect of climate change solutions are soon going to get to live their beliefs in a more direct manner.  It's one thing for conservatives in South Dakota or Idaho to insist that this global warming stuff is all a hoax, but - as y'all continue to find out - Florida has much more skin in the game than rural northern states.

I would not be surprised to see Florida continue to slide down these kinds of rankings in the future.

Climate change has nothing to do with insurance fraud and that's the biggest reason our insurances are so high. Hell ... roofing companies alone have cost them untold millions using unethical tactics. For instance, a roofing company would have you sign away your rights with an Assignment of benefits letter and they would represent you to your insurance company. An assignment of benefits, or AOB, is an agreement to transfer insurance claim rights to a third party. It gives the assignee authority to file and negotiate a claim directly with the insurance company, without involvement from the property owner. They would prove you needed a new roof because of some event that was nearby. They would then replace every single piece of plywood as well as soffit because of supposed damage. Many times it ended up with a lawsuit but roofing companies would end up charging insurance companies 25K on an 8-9K roofing job and it was perfectly legal. The homeowner was helpless and would lose coverage the following year. Although it will take time to help insurance companies this is now illegal in the State of Florida under a bill that DeSantis got passed.    

[Sunstroke]

Now he wants to run Bud Light as well... Is this some sort of fall-back position? He knows he has zero chance of being elected President,

He seems to be a very confused individual...

[Spider-Dan]

Hence the point that the whole ranking is based on leftist partisan talking points. Most rational people wouldn't use this ranking for the purposes of choosing a place to live.

Conservatives certainly seem to believe that affordable healthcare is not a factor in choosing where to live, which is why red states reject Medicaid expansion.

Obviously we can argue over whether the availability of 100-round magazines or available termination of a non-viable fetus that puts the mother's health at risk are "more important" for choosing a place to live.  If you're a conservative, you're probably going to argue for the former.

But the reason why I cited this ranking is that the right is so far gone that you've lost CNBC: the business network that literally launched the Tea Party and is a reliable shill for corporate business interests.  What's next, complaining about the radical communists at Forbes?

There's a shit load of people moving to FL and TX.

California has the largest population of any state, by a wide margin.
Blue states have more residents than red states, again by a wide margin.

If we are going to point at the population scoreboard as evidence for the desirability of different styles of governance, let's look at the total score and not just who scored the most points in the last 5 minutes.

[Spider-Dan]

Climate change has nothing to do with insurance fraud and that's the biggest reason our insurances are so high.

Unless your point is that Florida has more insurance fraud than other states, I'm not sure why this is relevant.  (And if Florida does have more insurance fraud than other states, I'd like to hear why you think that is.)

Florida's insurance rates are going up because Florida is extremely susceptible to the impacts of the changing climate.  Y'all profess to be fans of the free market, so this part should be fairly straightforward.

[CF DolFan]

Unless your point is that Florida has more insurance fraud than other states, I'm not sure why this is relevant.  (And if Florida does have more insurance fraud than other states, I'd like to hear why you think that is.)

Florida's insurance rates are going up because Florida is extremely susceptible to the impacts of the changing climate.  Y'all profess to be fans of the free market, so this part should be fairly straightforward.

The earth has been changing climates since the dawn of time but in general it's cyclical. We have a busy year or two and then nothing. We have droughts some years and get flooding on others. It's been that way my entire 54 years of life.  We had 3 hurricanes go over my house in 2004 Charley, Frances, and Jean. Everyone said that was the new normal. It's been almost 20 years and fortunately we haven't had another direct hit.

Hard to get excited when I've already survived many doomsday predications from the "scientific" community. Doomsday predictions predated us but in the 1960s overpopulation and famine forecasts were all the rage. In the 70s it was the big freeze is coming. During my high school years it was acid rain that was destroying the planet and in the 90's they predicted that rising seas would  obliterate nations by the year 2000. Coincidentally in the 2000s is where Al Gore taught everyone that if we didn't fix things by 2012 we would pass the point of no return and all polar caps would be gone by 2016.  New flash ... they are still there and the earth continues to tilt causes changes in the weather. In fact the south pole is getting larger.

[Spider-Dan]

The earth has been changing climates since the dawn of time but in general it's cyclical. We have a busy year or two and then nothing.

Yes, I'm aware that the current conservative position is "The climate changes, but humans have nothing to do with it and no one can do anything about it anyway."

Hard to get excited when I've already survived many doomsday predications from the "scientific" community.

As I said, many like-minded Floridians are going to get to put this belief system into practice shortly.
Your insurance rates will reflect this lifestyle choice.

[pondwater]

Conservatives certainly seem to believe that affordable healthcare is not a factor in choosing where to live, which is why red states reject Medicaid expansion.

Obviously we can argue over whether the availability of 100-round magazines or available termination of a non-viable fetus that puts the mother's health at risk are "more important" for choosing a place to live.  If you're a conservative, you're probably going to argue for the former.

No, my point is that one is a constitutionally protected right and one isn't. Obviously, that tells us what the lawmakers have chosen to do at the federal level. You can't complain that there are tighter restrictions on non constitutional rights while endorsing more restrictions on constitutional rights. That's exactly why "inclusivity" grade is subjective and bullshit.

But the reason why I cited this ranking is that the right is so far gone that you've lost CNBC: the business network that literally launched the Tea Party and is a reliable shill for corporate business interests.  What's next, complaining about the radical communists at Forbes?

Don't care where it's from. It's nonsense

California has the largest population of any state, by a wide margin.
Blue states have more residents than red states, again by a wide margin.

If we are going to point at the population scoreboard as evidence for the desirability of different styles of governance, let's look at the total score and not just who scored the most points in the last 5 minutes.

Who care's what the current population is? You cite California and yet they're not in the top 10 on this bullshit list. In fact, I hope anyone from California that wants to move, by all means use this list and move to #1 Vermont. I mean, why not move to the best place it the country to live? FL and TX suck... Please do it and find my corpse and let me know how that worked out LMFAO.