Questions about the migrant crisis

[Dave Gray]

Back then, we were not gripped by an entitlement mentality

This is a bumper sticker quote with no tie to reality.

It sounds like you got it off of talk radio.  Get an original thought.

[dolphins4life]

This is a bumper sticker quote with no tie to reality.

It sounds like you got it off of talk radio.  Get an original thought.

I made it up that quote and it's 100 percent true.

That's why Trump wanted to reform our immigration policy.

That's why Trump wanted to secure our borders

That's why Trump wanted to reform our entitlement programs.

[Dave Gray]

He had the presidency and both houses of congress and the supreme court and he didn't do any of those things.

He did try to overthrow the government, though, so that was a thing.

[dolphins4life]

He had the presidency and both houses of congress and the supreme court and he didn't do any of those things.

He did try to overthrow the government, though, so that was a thing.

He cut SNAP funding

He protected our borders.  Don’t know if any migrants overwhelming our schools during his presidency

[pondwater]

^ It's literally what makes us great.

For all the guff that America gets and deserves for various reasons, we really are unique in that we have American exceptionalism.  I truly believe it's because of immigration.  It's literally what gives us a leg up over any other country in the world.

And it will eventually be our downfall. They should shut down all immigration with the exception of people who have something significant to offer. We're full, there are 194 other countries for them to choose from. Build a great wall of China on the southern border and man it with sniper towers and anything else that will stop people from invading.

[Spider-Dan]

We're full

We're not even remotely close to "full."
Furthermore, most of the countries who like to say stuff like "We're full" are facing a looming retirement crisis because their population is too old.  This is - again - one of America's strengths: as families gain generational wealth and have fewer children on average, we keep importing new immigrants who have larger families.  This is important and necessary in economically-developed nations.

[pondwater]

We're not even remotely close to "full."
Furthermore, most of the countries who like to say stuff like "We're full" are facing a looming retirement crisis because their population is too old.  This is - again - one of America's strengths: as families gain generational wealth and have fewer children on average, we keep importing new immigrants who have larger families.  This is important and necessary in economically-developed nations.

If you say so. We'll just disagree LMAO

[Spider-Dan]

I've noticed that this seems to be a recurring response from you:

If you say so. We'll just disagree LMAO

LMAO, if you say so

Ok, if you say so. I'm sure someone else will go around in circles with you.

Is this so you can have the last word without actually having to say anything of substance? If not, why even bother clicking Reply for that?
Under no metric is the United States of America even remotely close to "full."

[pondwater]

I've noticed that this seems to be a recurring response from you:

Is this so you can have the last word without actually having to say anything of substance? If not, why even bother clicking Reply for that?
Under no metric is the United States of America even remotely close to "full."

You notice because you simply want to argue with your circular logic, deflection, and spin. It's what you thrive on. We simply disagree which is fine with me. I'm not here to jump through your hoops or win a debate. It's simply not worth my time. If you don't like my posts, no one is forcing you to reply with passive aggressive posts.

This country has enough problems to deal with and we don't need to add to it. In my opinion the left just wants to add to their voter base.

[Spider-Dan]

Taking you at your word that you believe immigrants would add to the left's voter base, "I don't want any more immigrants that might vote against my political preferences" does not mean the same thing as "The country is already full."

I mean, I don't want any more insurrectionist cultists breeding and raising uneducated fundamentalist zealots, but that's not really the same thing as "We're full, we need to change the laws to limit the number of children."

[pondwater]

Taking you at your word that you believe immigrants would add to the left's voter base, "I don't want any more immigrants that might vote against my political preferences" does not mean the same thing as "The country is already full."

I mean, I don't want any more insurrectionist cultists breeding and raising uneducated fundamentalist zealots, but that's not really the same thing as "We're full, we need to change the laws to limit the number of children."

Legal citizens having children isn't illegal. Illegal aliens are by definition illegal. There's a difference between internal and external problems we need to solve. We're full, they can go somewhere else if they don't like where they're at, that's my opinion on what should happen.

There's no point going round and round with this. You're not convincing me otherwise and I'm not convincing you otherwise. You'll have to win your virtue signaling brownie points with someone else.

[Spider-Dan]

Legal citizens having children isn't illegal.

It is if you outlaw it. But more importantly, as gun control and the drug war have shown, you don't have to completely outlaw something to regulate it heavily.

Illegal aliens are by definition illegal.

1) The majority of "illegal aliens" in the US arrive legally by air or sea and then illegally overstay their visa (like Melania Trump did).  Building "sniper towers on the southern border" is just virtue signaling to racists in America that we're trying to keep the brown people out.
2) The US is a signatory to international treaties providing for legal asylum for undocumented immigrants.

Let's not pretend that "legality" is the reason y'all want lethal force at the southern border (and always just the southern border).

[pondwater]

It is if you outlaw it. But more importantly, as gun control and the drug war have shown, you don't have to completely outlaw something to regulate it heavily.
1) The majority of "illegal aliens" in the US arrive legally by air or sea and then illegally overstay their visa (like Melania Trump did).  Building "sniper towers on the southern border" is just virtue signaling to racists in America that we're trying to keep the brown people out.
2) The US is a signatory to international treaties providing for legal asylum for undocumented immigrants.

Let's not pretend that "legality" is the reason y'all want lethal force at the southern border (and always just the southern border).

LOL cool story bro

[Phishfan]

I deleted a message that was simply a YouTube link with no comment. That is against forum policy.

[Engineering Owl]

I find this youtube link funny and pertinent to the situation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I47FenYRrG0