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« on: September 08, 2023, 10:56:59 am »

1) Who is to blame for it?  Is it Biden's fault for opening our borders?

2) Is this a political ploy by Biden to ensure he gets more votes in 2024?  After all, letting millions of people into this country means that they will all likely vote for him.  

This is what I am talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk4ab2QmDkA

We are literally spending billions of taxpayer money on these people to allow them not to work and get free stuff from the government.  

This leads to my question of whether Joe Biden is trying to buy votes from these people by giving them lots of free stuff.
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2023, 12:03:35 pm »

Do you really think the borders are "open"?  Like do you believe anyone can just mosey on up to the US border and walk in without a passport or paperwork?  

What do you think is actually happening at the borders?  What "crisis" are you speaking of?  Does this include Canadian borders or do we only care about Mexicans?

It seems like you need to get your news and information from less-biased sources.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2023, 12:04:34 pm »

1) Who is to blame for it? 

No issue is that simple.

But if you are looking for *one* person....

Ronald Reagan bears the most blame for the refugees coming from Central America.

If you are looking for modern politicians....the Republican governors that who make the problem worse with stupid stunts that appeals to the dumbest of their supporters
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2023, 01:53:35 pm »

Do you really think the borders are "open"?  Like do you believe anyone can just mosey on up to the US border and walk in without a passport or paperwork?  

What do you think is actually happening at the borders?  What "crisis" are you speaking of?  Does this include Canadian borders or do we only care about Mexicans?

It seems like you need to get your news and information from less-biased sources.
According to NBC ... The number of undocumented immigrant crossings at the southwest border for fiscal year 2022 topped 2.76 million, breaking the previous annual record by more than 1 million, according to Customs and Border Protection data
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-crossings-fiscal-year-2022-topped-276-million-breaking-rcna53517

I'd say 2.76 million is pretty "open" but maybe you have a higher number in mind? This year is looking to be more so maybe we will hit that number.

It's no secret our border lacks being secure because of Democrats. It used to not be that way but current Democrats have decided that an open border is somehow a good thing.
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2023, 02:03:37 pm »

^^^^^^The headline and use of the data is false and misleading.

The number of people who entered the country is unknown.  The data being reported is the number of people prevented from entering the country. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2023, 03:53:11 pm »

^^^^^^The headline and use of the data is false and misleading.

The number of people who entered the country is unknown.  The data being reported is the number of people prevented from entering the country. 
That's great! Since the numbers aren't an issue then sanctuary cities like New York, DC, Philly, and others shouldn't have any issues housing them.
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2023, 02:12:43 pm »

Your article, not mine:

"For the 12 months ending Sept. 30, 2022, CBP stopped migrants more than 2,766,582 times, compared to 1.72 million times for fiscal 2021, the previous yearly high."

So tell me again how CBP STOPPING MIGRANTS at the border, to you, means that the border is "wide open."  Just because more people are TRYING to cross the border doesn't mean that they are able to.  Stopping people from coming in is the direct opposite of what you're claiming it to be.  In fact, i'd say that they STOPPED a record number of people, so the borders are more secure than they have previously been.
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2023, 03:05:54 pm »

Number of people stopped at the border goes down?  "Biden has ended enforcement, the border is wide open."
Number of people stopped at the border goes up?  "Immigrants are overwhelming Biden's CBP, the border is wide open."
Heads they win, tails we lose.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2023, 03:24:17 pm »

That's great! Since the numbers aren't an issue then sanctuary cities like New York, DC, Philly, and others shouldn't have any issues housing them.

how are florida building and farming industries doing nowadays ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOWZj6y0QSg

Just curious.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2023, 07:57:28 am »

how are florida building and farming industries doing nowadays ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOWZj6y0QSg

Just curious.
LMAO … not that it’s true but it’s nice that you think allowing illegals in should be based off low wage jobs. I’m still looking for construction companies going under because of Florida enforcing laws. I see them on edited YouTube videos but haven’t come across them in the Orlando area.
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2023, 11:56:45 am »

Man they can’t just get here and up and vote next year that’s a process that takes a long ass time. They’ll be paying taxes and contributing to whatever communities they end up in long before they can vote.

They are by and large people fleeing criminal violence political instability and crippling poverty, who’s to “blame”?  Capitalism? Society? War? Human Nature? Drugs? God? Who knows it complex.

Let them in one of the beautiful ideas about this country as that everyone has a chance here no matter where you’re from.
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2023, 12:21:04 pm »

I don't believe that unchecked migration is good.

But I do that that immigration, in general, is good.  We need their spirit, their work ethic, and their contribution to the economy.  But you have to do what you can to make the influx sustainable and predictable and I don't think this is anything but a losing battle that you just have to keep fighting.  There isn't a set answer.

We haven't truly addressed this policy for many many decades, though. 
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2023, 12:43:59 pm »

The reason why the United States is the most successful and powerful country in the world is specifically and explicitly because of our melting pot status.  Our diversity is literally our strength.
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2023, 02:17:22 pm »

^ It's literally what makes us great.

For all the guff that America gets and deserves for various reasons, we really are unique in that we have American exceptionalism.  I truly believe it's because of immigration.  It's literally what gives us a leg up over any other country in the world.
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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2023, 02:48:21 pm »

^ It's literally what makes us great.

For all the guff that America gets and deserves for various reasons, we really are unique in that we have American exceptionalism.  I truly believe it's because of immigration.  It's literally what gives us a leg up over any other country in the world.

Back then, we were not gripped by an entitlement mentality
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