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« on: April 15, 2025, 03:50:53 pm »

You want somebody to create change in this country.

You vote for a President who wants to create that change and tries to do so.

For various reasons, he is unsuccessful.

What do you do then?

Trump has been successful in some of things he promised to do for the country, such as securing our borders.

In other things, he has not been successful

Is this next step trying to get Congress to become even more red?

It's odd that his moves have been unsuccessful even though the GOP controls the government now

Edit:  Idk why I didn't check but this is NOT in the right forum.  Please move it somebody
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2025, 08:12:32 am »

I think you have to let things play out. Trump is trying to do something almost every president before him promised to do. If it was easy, they would have done it. It is ridiculous that the GOP controls the legislature but can't get any of Trump's policies into law. There are too many Republicans and Democrats as part of the establishment to really do too much change.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2025, 08:52:42 am »

has he actually tried to do something with the legislature ? it looks like he's just issuing executive orders left and right without actually proposing a bill
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2025, 11:33:32 am »

He promised to lower prices.  That is difficult to do, but tarrifs are the exact opposite.

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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2025, 01:35:54 pm »

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It's odd that his moves have been unsuccessful even though the GOP controls the government now

They're not working because they're bad policy.  Tariffs like this are dumb -- they're being used improperly.  He was told, he did it anyway, ergo market crash and pretending that it was for negotiating or whatever other lie they're trying to fall back on.

I sound like a tea-party Republican, but I believe in separation of powers.  Congress is supposed to control money and check the president.  Even when they agree and they're in the same party, the responsibility to do certain things rests with certain branches.  We just aren't there right now and Congress has given their power away.  Worse than the tariffs is the uncertainty -- they're on; they're off; this person kissed my ass so they're off for them; this person made me mad so they're on again -- companies cannot plan for the future.  This is why this kind of thing, outside of punishing a nation for bad behavior, is monetary policy that needs to be set by Congress.

Trump would be a better president if his power were kept in check.  His policies would be more sustainable and supported and sensible.  What we have now is chaos and grift.

But, people are dumb and vote against their own interests, so I imagine that people will continue to do that.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2025, 01:39:00 pm »

I sound like a tea-party Republican, but I believe in separation of powers.
Republicans only believe in separation of powers (or reducing the deficit) when a Democrat is in the White House.  You never heard any of that Tea Party nonsense from 2017-2021, and you won't for the next 4 years.
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2025, 01:55:16 pm »

has he actually tried to do something with the legislature ? it looks like he's just issuing executive orders left and right without actually proposing a bill

The President doesn't propose bills. Thanks Schoolhouse Rock.
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2025, 02:17:42 pm »

Depends on what you mean by "propose."

As far as authoring a bill in Congress, no, the President can't do that.  But the President can "propose" that Congress pass a bill for him to sign into law, in the same sense that Sean Hannity can "propose" a bill to stop the invasion of our country or whatever.  Trump has not been asking Congress to pass a bill to achieve his goals; he has simply been doing whatever he wants and daring someone to stop him.
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2025, 02:29:59 pm »

The President doesn't propose bills. Thanks Schoolhouse Rock.

The president doesn’t write a bill but they absolutely steer congress using the bully pulpit.  It’s a core part of the job.
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2025, 08:50:19 pm »

Not this President guys. You are thinking of this as a traditional Presidency. Trump doesn't feel that he has to follow the traditional model.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2025, 09:27:36 am »

You want somebody to create change in this country.
Change is not always for the better. It's not enough to want change, you got to expect better.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2025, 12:32:16 pm »

Change is not always for the better. It's not enough to want change, you got to expect better.


Agreeing on problems is meaningless if you don't also agree on the solutions.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2025, 01:39:02 pm »



Agreeing on problems is meaningless if you don't also agree on the solutions.

But we don't agree on the problem.  Some of us believe the problem is that the wealthiest 1% get too much from the government.  Maga and the OP believes the problem is the poorest 1% get too much from the government.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2025, 01:56:11 pm »

The president doesn’t write a bill but they absolutely steer congress using the bully pulpit.  It’s a core part of the job.
They don't always do what the president wants and each of his executive orders are his wishes. He doesn't need additional pressure to move them. 

Even here in Florida the extremely "Republican" legislature is fighting against DeSantis and he goes public with his wishes every day. They are literally reversing what Republicans have seen as many as his achievements. DeSantis has been screaming for them to lower property taxes, address the condo issues, and pass open carry as the other red states have done. Not only are they not doing that, they raised his budget even after he vetoed it, and they are now cutting a lot of the funding and jobs at the FHP. They are also removing the raises for officers that he had added. DeSantis is a conservative Republican and has been cutting the budget and deficit every year, but there are many RINOs who want to spend on their pet projects and threaten every other legislative rep that their bills wil obe dropped unless they support them.
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2025, 02:03:36 pm »

But we don't agree on the problem.  Some of us believe the problem is that the wealthiest 1% get too much from the government.  Maga and the OP believes the problem is the poorest 1% get too much from the government.
This is true although not so simple. Conservatives want to lead people to help themselves. In Florida we have Hope Florida which directs people in need to charities that can help them. Today they have helped over 30,000 people get off the Florida welfare system and it's only been around for a few years. 

I can't understand how the same people which think tariffs raise prices but think taking money away from the rich people who own the companies won't result in higher prices. Same with forcing them to pay much higher wages. Republicans have no issue with understanding tariffs will raise price on imported items we just think it will improve everything else. Buy American and there is no concern for tariffs.
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